I'm running my homelab on NixOS with systemd containers, which I admit isn't for everyone. Still, I think it's a better base than Ubuntu.
Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
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Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
While admittedly this can be a bit risky, there's a lot less possible blast radius or thing that can go catastrophically wrong if you give the LLM the ssh keys and sudo access on a KVM VM (or equivalent) that's been created as a blank slate exclusively as its playground. I have a template debian 13 KVM VM that can have its ssh host keys and hostname wiped, other unique per-node things, and duplicated with a basic bas…
> for home lab testing So you're talking about a sandbox, not a prod server hosting personal data?
I'm saying a staging/testing environment is a good place to prove your specific configuration of "smart" LLM isn't going to do something wildly wrong, before you even think to trust it in a production environment. And as a place to develop things like playbooks and similar documentation to feed into an LLM's context for ongoing maintenance and operations of something in production.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#253The cloud space is absurd, we've sat by for 2 decades while the likes of AWS define every aspect of deployment, auth, even containerisation. Containerisation was supposed to mean host anywhere, literally redeploy a complex set of services and their connections on any cloud provider at the drop of a hat. That is what a f**ing shipping container is, you rock up to any port in the world and the same container is lifted…
yea i also think it's weird that people who aren't doing work for organizations champion using aws/gcp/azure.
we've all been around computers for a hot minute, we've seen stuff that is exciting and fun and easy to use, and stuff that is not.
i occasionally do a bit of aws and azure deployments for work, everything is reduced to yaml hell, i think its the most over convoluted experience ever to do anything and opaque billing strategies, abstractions, it's just gross. its hard to be passionate about that stuff.
i kind of laugh when people at my org talk about colocation and elastic strategies for some podunk reporting app, like the bare minimum sla 99.9999999% uptime and runs in regions close to the data and weeks of planning to have like a stupid crud app that maybe five people. use. everything has to neatly fit into this one size fits all cloud strategy the infra/devops team came up with and they could've just run multiple apps off a server rack in the office it's literally an internal tool. or hell they could've just came up with a desktop app deployment strategy to company devices and not used any cloud services. feels so boring
feel like the field of "devops" just kinda threw their hands up got really weird this past decade, and like you said just kinda bought into the deployment strats aws/gcp/azure pulled out of their ass.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#254Congratulations on the launch, I 100% agree with your vision:
> run on your instance (it's really easy!)
I silently published AliaJS a year ago, since it's still in alpha in my opinion., But I keep releasing improvements, coming in the next few days, a one liner CLI turnkey quickstart script: `npx aliajs new`. I'll also provide a clickable user interface (Electron app). This is exciting, happy to see where the community is going with cloud tools that empower the individual actors.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#255I'm glad to see this, auth in particular is a real sore spot in self-hosting. In terms of the available integrations, Home Assistant feels like a big missing item - it's the core of many folks home server deployments.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#256The cloud space is absurd, we've sat by for 2 decades while the likes of AWS define every aspect of deployment, auth, even containerisation. Containerisation was supposed to mean host anywhere, literally redeploy a complex set of services and their connections on any cloud provider at the drop of a hat. That is what a f**ing shipping container is, you rock up to any port in the world and the same container is lifted…
This is just an incoherent bluster. Calm down.
You can still ftp some PHP files and it will just work - there are plenty of services that offer that.
You don't need to shit your files across buckets and provision 20 IAM profiles - noone's forcing you to do that and that is not how you host a web app.
If you're fond of the ftp-based hosting days, those services are available and they will happily take your money.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#257> Rent a box from whoever you like, and turn it into your own personal cloud. Yeah, that’s not what cloud computing is.
Yeah, I'm thinking that a cloud isn't just a server, it's a bunch of them spread out. We had servers on the Internet before cloud computing.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#258Great initiative. Also add
https://github.com/chatbotkit/platform
...if it fit the project direction.
It is basically a sovereign AI platform for agent orchestration and automation and app building.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#259These guys have been spamming issues in repos trying to promote this project and no disclosure whatsoever that they are associated with the project. https://github.com/search?q=%22cloudinabottle.toml%22&type=i...
It's evidence of bad abstraction if you need everyone else to make changes and couple themselves directly to you. If for some reason your services can't speak an already common language, I think it's on you to add those shims into your own project.
Co-op Cloud, which has similarities, creates separate repos for its "packaging recipes". https://docs.coopcloud.tech/maintainers/catalogue/
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#260The cloud space is absurd, we've sat by for 2 decades while the likes of AWS define every aspect of deployment, auth, even containerisation. Containerisation was supposed to mean host anywhere, literally redeploy a complex set of services and their connections on any cloud provider at the drop of a hat. That is what a f**ing shipping container is, you rock up to any port in the world and the same container is lifted…
This is just an incoherent bluster. Calm down. You can still ftp some PHP files and it will just work - there are plenty of services that offer that. You don't need to shit your files across buckets and provision 20 IAM profiles - noone's forcing you to do that and that is not how you host a web app. If you're fond of the ftp-based hosting days, those services are available and they will happily take your money.
Yep, shared hosting might go away one day (altho I doubt it), but it's not going to be anytime soon