Surprised to not mention Cloudron in the alternative list. Probably the biggest player in this space
Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
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#212Cloudron does something very similar (I'm a user): https://www.cloudron.io/
Yup, they just released Cloudron 10
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#213There seems to be a lot of variance between stated and revealed preferences around self-hosting. It often seems like presenting the image of being autonomous to our peers seems more important than actually achieving it. It takes a lot of energy to replicate what AWS and friends have done once we factor in concerns like the passage of time and entropy. I've never been able to keep a media/NAS appliance alive for much…
Yep, even with something like NextCloud or ownCloud it gets tiring pretty fast. I do get the appeal of handling everything on your own, but it also brings any of the downside of handling everything by myself. I just need a working cloud storage with sync, redundancy, and availability. Can I get it up to spec? Definitely but it will cost more both in time and money than getting OOTB solution. I gave up sync and availa…
Yeah but I thought we have AGI now and you can just vibe code your own custom roll up of anything in an hour, no expertise required... Right... Right?
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Building the equivalent of Google Photos locally wasn't that hard 10 years ago, given enough tolerance for speed and indexing lag issues. You could argue it’s much easier on the software side, because self hosting Immich is much easier thanks for AI assistance with setting it up. If you can live without the built in facial recognition feature you don’t need particularly beefy hardware. I find myself taking on far m…
It's about 3~4 years I haven't used Immich so it might have evolved a lot since then, but looking at their current roadmap there is a ton of features I use everyday in Photos that won't be there. And it's not to fault Immich, on the contrary, Photos is one of the rare Google property where the team is constantly pushing the envelope. I could combine it with a bunch of external tools to make do, but it would be crazy…
> On AI assist...I'm still pausing a lot when t comes to home projects that will be constantly talking to the outside and hold the stuff that is the most private to me and my whole family and friends.
Totally understand this part. I didn’t mean to give Claude code full access to locally hosted environments but rather copy back and forth in your local shell with help from Claude (error messages, helping to plan out the installation etc.)
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#216There seems to be a lot of variance between stated and revealed preferences around self-hosting. It often seems like presenting the image of being autonomous to our peers seems more important than actually achieving it. It takes a lot of energy to replicate what AWS and friends have done once we factor in concerns like the passage of time and entropy. I've never been able to keep a media/NAS appliance alive for much…
Yep, even with something like NextCloud or ownCloud it gets tiring pretty fast. I do get the appeal of handling everything on your own, but it also brings any of the downside of handling everything by myself. I just need a working cloud storage with sync, redundancy, and availability. Can I get it up to spec? Definitely but it will cost more both in time and money than getting OOTB solution. I gave up sync and availa…
> even with something like NextCloud or ownCloud it gets tiring pretty fast
I haven't touched my nextcloud installation in maybe 9 months and I've been running it for about 1.5 years.
When there is a problem it's now very easy to fix, I just point an agent at it. It syncs to my phone, my laptop, and several other people's as we use it for a small business.
It's not perfect but neither were any of the commercial things we'd tried before.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
(author here) I'm checking with my team to confirm these came from us, but if so I apologize for this - posts like these should come from a real account with proper disclosure, but also these sorts of requests feel premature for a project like ours that doesn't yet have a sizeable user base.
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#218The cloud space is absurd, we've sat by for 2 decades while the likes of AWS define every aspect of deployment, auth, even containerisation.
Containerisation was supposed to mean host anywhere, literally redeploy a complex set of services and their connections on any cloud provider at the drop of a hat. That is what a f**ing shipping container is, you rock up to any port in the world and the same container is lifted by any crane onto any ship or truck.
Amazon, Google, Microsoft - these people have sold vendor lock-in to the very segment of tech society that should have been fighting it tooth and nail. 20 years ago you ftp'd some PHP files and it just worked, now you have to figure out 20 IAM profiles and shit your files across buckets because everything must be 1000000x scalable out of the box.
No joke I was building a static firebase site the other day and just wanted a simple way to password protect it (like http auth) for staging so my client could see it - of all the useless shit firebase tries to lock you into they can't even do something as simple as basic http auth without a shit show and spinning up a cloud run instance or something to check a static password.
Yes we 100% need fix hosting, everything should be portable, simple, generic.
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#220The cloud space is absurd, we've sat by for 2 decades while the likes of AWS define every aspect of deployment, auth, even containerisation. Containerisation was supposed to mean host anywhere, literally redeploy a complex set of services and their connections on any cloud provider at the drop of a hat. That is what a f**ing shipping container is, you rock up to any port in the world and the same container is lifted…
If you don't mind me asking a question to better understand your perspective: Are you old enough to have personally experienced and built self-hosted things before the advent of AWS, cloud hosted stuff, or is your text above (which I do not disagree with in any way) the point of view of a person who began working on this stuff in the "cloud-native" era, post-2012 or around then?
I'm thinking from the "20 years ago" it is the first one, so your experience is even more valuable for those younger persons reading it because you've seen how things were before the vendor-lock-in era began.
I ask because I've been seeing an increasing trend of people who've self-taught themselves Linux/BSD things, grew up in the cloud-native era, and have now become increasing dissatisfied with the "Do everything in one vendor cloud" operations model that they initially learned. Many are now going the opposite direction and deciding to self host their own projects at much lower cost and much less vendor lock-in.