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Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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The European parliament and US congress are both just as united and fragmented. We disagree internally until we find a common posture that we adopt. I'm not sure why you talk California public sector instead of something involving multiple states that have differing views, that makes your comparison useless, that's why I say US congress. Note that your misunderstanding of the situation and lack of knowledge about it…

The EU-related structures in Brussels are about as united/fragmented as the US Congress, indeed.

But the national governments are nothing like US state governments. A lot more political fragmentation, plus they still consider themselves executives of sovereign nations with various vital interests and also historic resentments. Few Californian politicians will base their programs on suspicions towards New Mexico. In Poland, "don't kowtow to the Germans" is still a living idea and current PM Tusk is regularly accused of doing precisely that.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Congratulations ISAR Edit: it should be Isar not ISAR This is a huge achievement and every person involved should be very proud. Please oblige me by not writing anything political in reply, let's just celebrate!

It’s Isar, not ISAR. It’s the name of the river that crosses Munich (which I love) :)

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Must be incredibly humbling experience to not realize EU is a union of independent countries and the US is a federation of states until you work for one of the delegations, wasn't it? Most of us pick up on that even without professional experience about it.

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> See the thing is when we studied law in Europe a long time ago we were sold on this dream that Europe would become like the United States

Eeh, what school was this? I think most public schools (at least those me and people near me) attended, it was taught that EU is nothing like the US, as we're all individual countries and everyone wants to remain as such, but we still want to collaborate although we're somewhat different from each other, and been killing each other since forever. I guess that's why second world war and similar things are such a big part of our history lessons, rather than diving deep into the history of US or Australia or whatever.

> It really takes the soul out of you. The way people work in the US and China is completely different. They DO things. Europeans just talk about doing things, and then talk behind each others backs.

For me the difference is between politicians and people actually doing the work. And my personally experience points towards this split existing equally everywhere, in China, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else I've been. The higher up the political ranks you get, the more people like to talk, the less they like doing.

I feel like this is very evident in the US too, looking at how productive and efficient companies are vs research labs living on grants vs federal government vs local governments, the scale is completely different, and same goes in Europe as well, at least from what I can tell.

Evidentially, in the high ranks of the European Parliament, things are exactly the same as higher ranking politicians everywhere, they just like to talk and grandstand and pretend to know what they're talking about. But I think this is true in the US too, or in China, these sort of people just like talking and discussing things forever, for better or worse.

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This might even influence today's election in Sachsen. With a bit of luck, it could turn a few voters to a more optimistic world view.

Sachsen-Anhalt != Sachsen . And I think voters there are too far gone…

Also, they have roughly 1/2 of Berlin's population in the entire state.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must be incredibly humbling experience to not realize EU is a union of independent countries and the US is a federation of states until you work for one of the delegations, wasn't it? Most of us pick up on that even without professional experience about it.

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> Then you get there all bright eyed and it's just a bunch of boomers squabbling to fuck each other over to get 0.03% tax advantages on peach liquor exports for their region.

Congratulations, you summed up how politics work in all regions of the world.

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This might even influence today's election in Sachsen. With a bit of luck, it could turn a few voters to a more optimistic world view.

Sachsen-Anhalt != Sachsen . And I think voters there are too far gone…

Sorry, I knew the full name, but overlooked the fact that shortening it turned it into another state's name.

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> See the thing is when we studied law in Europe a long time ago we were sold on this dream that Europe would become like the United States Eeh, what school was this? I think most public schools (at least those me and people near me) attended, it was taught that EU is nothing like the US, as we're all individual countries and everyone wants to remain as such, but we still want to collaborate although we're somewhat d…

> it was taught that EU is nothing like the US, as we're all individual countries and everyone wants to remain as such

It's written into the treaties that this will not be so. The goal of the EU is "ever closer union" and the people at the top of it routinely talk about a federal Europe in which the individual states disappear.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European parliament and US congress are both just as united and fragmented. We disagree internally until we find a common posture that we adopt. I'm not sure why you talk California public sector instead of something involving multiple states that have differing views, that makes your comparison useless, that's why I say US congress. Note that your misunderstanding of the situation and lack of knowledge about it…

The EU-related structures in Brussels are about as united/fragmented as the US Congress, indeed. But the national governments are nothing like US state governments. A lot more political fragmentation, plus they still consider themselves executives of sovereign nations with various vital interests and also historic resentments. Few Californian politicians will base their programs on suspicions towards New Mexico. In P…

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Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European parliament and US congress are both just as united and fragmented. We disagree internally until we find a common posture that we adopt. I'm not sure why you talk California public sector instead of something involving multiple states that have differing views, that makes your comparison useless, that's why I say US congress. Note that your misunderstanding of the situation and lack of knowledge about it…

The EU-related structures in Brussels are about as united/fragmented as the US Congress, indeed. But the national governments are nothing like US state governments. A lot more political fragmentation, plus they still consider themselves executives of sovereign nations with various vital interests and also historic resentments. Few Californian politicians will base their programs on suspicions towards New Mexico. In P…

The European nations are not unified similarly to the USA because we do not have the common history of being a bunch of immigrant colonies glued together.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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> See the thing is when we studied law in Europe a long time ago we were sold on this dream that Europe would become like the United States Eeh, what school was this? I think most public schools (at least those me and people near me) attended, it was taught that EU is nothing like the US, as we're all individual countries and everyone wants to remain as such, but we still want to collaborate although we're somewhat d…

> it was taught that EU is nothing like the US, as we're all individual countries and everyone wants to remain as such It's written into the treaties that this will not be so. The goal of the EU is "ever closer union" and the people at the top of it routinely talk about a federal Europe in which the individual states disappear.

Individual states do not disappear in a more federal Europe. Otherwise that wouldn’t be a confederation… It’s about delegating some authority and decision making to a common entity, but each nation state stays sovereign. I don’t understand how people are confused about that concept, there are lots of federated entities in the world, with various level of delegation to the federal level. And that works well. The distinctions between states aren’t erased, the culture between states isn’t erased.
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