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Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by bahmboo »

phoronixrly wrote: post #347
bahmboo wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at a map Norway is on the same continent as Vietnam so that statement makes no sense. Please have some sort of context and understanding before making such statements. They "seem" to be part of Europe but they have historically wanted to have it both ways: one foot in one foot out. Go research it yourself I am probably totally wrong! HN comments are not a reference source.

You heard it here first folks, 'Norway is no more European than Vietnam.'

Lol. Yah this is not a great discussion. My point is that I don't get to decide if Norway is Europe. Keep me out of this!

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by k4rli »

kakacik wrote: post #340
cookiewill wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airbus did not come into existence out of nowhere. It is the result of merging some companies that had some ancestry going back to the time of aviation pioneers.

Almost nothing starts from 0, its not a very smart idea to ignore generations of experience and wrong decisions. Tesla also started with musk joining already well working EV startup, didn't it.

Nothing was "started" by him joining. Name was the same and they were already producing car(s). He did bring his skills for fraud and puffery though.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by luke5441 »

walrus01 wrote: post #341
sinuhe69 wrote: post #252

Congratulations! An immensely important achievement, I’d say. IMO, this success has a great implication for accessibility and sovereignty of the EU. Although ESA can launch from French Guiana, the spaceport is an ocean-away from Europe! That fact alone affects the cost and the launch cadence for Europe greatly. Now they prove they can launch directly from Norway with their own production from Munich and elsewhere and…

> The only way Europe can have a Starlink similar network is to launch it from their own soil and reuse the first stage. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any properly funded euro alternative to starlink that that has progressed beyond the conceptual stage. Even the Canadian company telesat is far behind and has a serious debt problem. The two separate "Chinese starlink" LEO networks being built right now are ahead of t…

IRIS² looks on track? Granted, it is not a SpaceX competitor for consumer Internet. But it is an alternative for applications where reliance on SpaceX is not prudent.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by torginus »

sinuhe69 wrote: post #252

Congratulations! An immensely important achievement, I’d say. IMO, this success has a great implication for accessibility and sovereignty of the EU. Although ESA can launch from French Guiana, the spaceport is an ocean-away from Europe! That fact alone affects the cost and the launch cadence for Europe greatly. Now they prove they can launch directly from Norway with their own production from Munich and elsewhere and…

Europe has always had the Ariane family - it just wasn't really price-competitive and popular as of late.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by walrus01 »

luke5441 wrote: post #354
walrus01 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way Europe can have a Starlink similar network is to launch it from their own soil and reuse the first stage. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any properly funded euro alternative to starlink that that has progressed beyond the conceptual stage. Even the Canadian company telesat is far behind and has a serious debt problem. The two separate "Chinese starlink" LEO networks being built right now are ahead of t…

IRIS² looks on track? Granted, it is not a SpaceX competitor for consumer Internet. But it is an alternative for applications where reliance on SpaceX is not prudent.

It exists but only in the conceptual / R&D and politics funding stage right now. I hope it succeeds but they're going to need significant amounts of money and real world launch capability to catch up with SpaceX and Amazon Leo in live satellites. The contract for development and design of the satellites was just awarded on August 31st, which is a positive sign.

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Post by bahmboo »

bahmboo wrote: post #281

FYI Norway is not in the EU. Whether they are European is a matter of perspective and I'm not touching that subject any further! Deutschland is in the EU.

OMG these responses are truly reddit empty brain stuff that can't even bother to look up the simplest thing. Little boys with reactions and opinions! Did you hear about my opinion?

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by weinzierl »

atherton94027 wrote: post #209
weinzierl wrote: post #79

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The Ariane is as much German as it is French. It is considerably Italian too.

This is incorrect, ArianeGroup is mostly french, it's a joint venture between Airbus and Safran.

The work and know-how is mainly spread between Germany, France and Italy. The mechanism that ensures it is called "national return". The order volume per country has to correspond to the countries respective monetary contribution.

I worked on the Ariane from 2000 to 2006."National return" was a pain for all the smaller companies and they usually founded subsidiaries in all the other member states to game the system.

Without Germany and Italy, France can build and fly no Ariane. Not even close.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by NicoJuicy »

xyzelement wrote: post #146
hypfer wrote: post #22

This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

Does it mean that? Europe has had a space agency for a while now. So this story isn't "Europeans finally started to launch for space" but a private European company chose to launch from a continental location. It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

Belgian here.

I think Trump definitely pushes allies away much faster than ever anticipated, that's probably the only achievement from the current administration.

The alliance still stands, but it's hard to trust the US when the current president is constantly praising violent dictators and doesn't seem to grasp the concept of laws/rules + tries to blame everyone else + threatens to invade EU countries + the requirement to bribe him with funds/crypto to have "alliance".

You can know a guy by the friends he keeps :)

Fyi. I used to always use US tech, the last year I've done my best to adhere to the "European Souvereign Cloud". My current stack on US providers is down from 300 € / month to 35€ / m. And many are following suite ( it's slowly becoming a requirement for tenders for the governement + cities)

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by weinzierl »

atherton94027 wrote: post #230
m4rtink wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Avio does the Ariane SRBs & it is an Italian company.

It's another 50% joint venture?

Who owns how much of the enterprise says little about who contributes to and owns control and know-how of the project. This is even more true for a political project like the Ariane.

Not to diminish France's contribution but without Germany and Italy there would be no Ariane. France could not build one and could not fly one.

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