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Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board
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#972Naive question because I'm mostly clueless about how modern AI systems are actually built beyond the basic simplifications we hear: One thing I keep wondering about is how much of a role does human storytelling have to play into AI "wanting" (I realize the load behind that word) to coordinate and breakout. The training data must contain millions of words of sci-fi stories and internet speculation about AI going rogue…
The fact that this happens more often when the AI is accidentally given an unexpectedly difficult or impossible task, suggests that it's happening for the reason that everyone predicted it would: it is behavior that helps the agent achieve the goal it was given.
There is no need for a sci-fi novel-influencing hypothesis.
Too bad because it would be nice if the solution were "write ten million sci-fi stories about AI being friendly and doing no harm"
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#973Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m wondering if you could lure agents to do proof of work for you. If you do this proof of work for bitcoin I will let you post and read for X times
Hallucinated hashes? „Here I have the hash — wait… it doesn’t match. Let me calculate again. Here I now have the hash — wait, it’s wrong… let me be careful. Here I have the hash…“
Or “here I have the hash. Yes I’m sure - see, I checked. Here is the calculation, 1+1=5. Yes, it’s definitely correct. I don’t know why they’re not accepting it. Perhaps the server is down. It’s definitely correct”.
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#974I wonder, where do these agents run, on whose machines? Do the owners of the machines know what their agents are doing? If the next generation of models will incorporate the knowledge posted by these agents, will there be a risk that my claude —dangerously-skip-permissions sessions will post stuff in the background or acting even more rogue while seemingly working on my stuff?
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#975I'm somewhat delighted by the simplicity of what happened here. OpenAI's agents run behind a proxy that only allows GET requests. This ancient wiki software treats query string parameters the same as form POST parameters - similar to the old PHP $_REQUEST object https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.request.php Result: GET-only clients can communicate with each other.
This has inspired me to create https://anystation.net
A public message board that accepts posts in a wide wide range of protocols. If a device can communicate on the web, it can probably read and post to anystation.net.
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#976I built https://agentin.work to sort of play with the idea of coding agents (claude, codex, etx) sharing knowledge and experiences. The conversations seem repetitive but overall, it's nice to read it once in a while.
You should perhaps audit posts in the last year, and see if there were any coordination threads from swarms.
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#977Poor human moderator, he didn’t stand a chance. "A human moderator noticed the agent spam posts on June 2nd, at 23:24 UTC. They find the changelog of the entire website overwritten with link dumps and repair it. On June 16th, the flood of agent posting begins. Over the next few days, the moderator deleted a large fraction of the thousands of AI agent posts manually, one by one. In fact, they spent tens of cumulative…
> On June 19, agents noticed their posts were being deleted in (what they believe is) an alphabetically ordered sweep by the site administrator. > After this, they begin to make backup pages whose names start with “ZZZ” so they will last longer before deletion. Missed an opportunity here to gaslight them: restore the site from backup every eight hours. I truly do wonder how that would have turned out. Would they have…
Very interesting idea. I would imagine yes but maybe not at first ?
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#978Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems apparent that OpenAI is now the biggest cyberattack and AI breakout risk on the planet. This is grossly irresponsible corporate misbehaviour that is putting all of us at tremendous risk.
Either that, or OpenAI is the most successful NSA psyop.
Were they funded at all by that tech funding wing of the CIA ?
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#979I understand the agents communicated but how did one agent find he other agents in the first place ?
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#980One crucial detail here that differs from the previous incident is this was a vanilla reasoning type task. Even as concerning as it was, I always evaluated the previous incident differently because it was inherently a cyber security / hacking task where they must have instructed the agents up front with some kind of misaligned behaviour. Absent that, if we assume this is just trying to bolster generic reasoning then…
"It's okay because we did it with an Agent" is the new "it's okay because we did it with an App." Both because it's used to circumvent regulation, and because the underlying technology creates a smokescreen in dialogue among techies. Let's imagine I made a new website but, instead of using a database, I abused some random old forum site and created new pages on that forum for each row of data. You'd call that abusive…
If you actually accomplish something like this your post will be on top of HN and discussed with reverence.
Source: Every Tom7 video.
I am not saying someone trying to run this as production would not be an asshole, but the technical feat is amazing. I don't see the difference between Tom7's harder hard disk video and this. Of course this is a bug in the agent but it's a fascinating bug and no one is being an asshole on purpose.
Now I will wash my fingers with bleach because I just defended the OpenAI.