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Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by bob1029 »

There seems to be a lot of variance between stated and revealed preferences around self-hosting.

It often seems like presenting the image of being autonomous to our peers seems more important than actually achieving it.

It takes a lot of energy to replicate what AWS and friends have done once we factor in concerns like the passage of time and entropy. I've never been able to keep a media/NAS appliance alive for much longer than 3-4 years. Inevitably, there is some kind of catastrophic event and I have to start all over with new vendors, etc. Even without any data loss this gets old. I promise you get tired of this after a while. It might seem like that would never happen and then one day it does.

You can get so much more done if you can actually afford to use the cloud. I have a really hard time believing that many people are genuinely winning on total cost of ownership with self hosting.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by wiether »

chicagobuss wrote: post #127

I'm confused, isn't a self-hosted cloud something like openstack or kubernetes?

Like the real ones, digital clouds can take many shapes.

Sometimes it means "rented virtual resources", sometimes it means "stack of intertwined services", sometimes it means "SaaS", sometimes it means "alternatives to SaaS"...

Here it seems to be the latter.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by wiether »

Winfred-zz wrote: post #17

>At the core, it's just an Ubuntu machine with a web server that hosts a dashboard and routes HTTP(s) requests to containerized apps. So no fail over/redundancy? I think at minimum it should be two machines, so one can break. That is one of the important features of cloud applications as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to deal with the problem of a single computer breaking.

  > So no fail over/redundancy? I think at minimum it should be two machines, so one can break.
Do you have two instances of everything in your life?

It's clear this product is intended for personal use.

I guess you have a couch in your home. This couch can seat friends/family. Yet you don't have a spare one?

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by jongjong »

hypfer wrote: post #115
jongjong wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Because "perfectly legal" and "socially acceptable" often diverge quite a bit. The world would be quite miserable if "perfectly legal" would be what everyone optimizes for.

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Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by hamandcheese »

globular-toast wrote: post #118
KomoD wrote: post #50

These guys have been spamming issues in repos trying to promote this project and no disclosure whatsoever that they are associated with the project. https://github.com/search?q=%22cloudinabottle.toml%22&type=i...

The person doing this doesn't understand how pull requests work. The issues all say "I have a version in my fork". Open a pull request then! That's the whole point of forks on GitHub. Creating an issue first is pointless spamming akin to the classic "asking to ask". Just seems completely out of touch with open source to me.

> Creating an issue first is pointless spamming akin to the classic "asking to ask"

Many projects disagree with you on this one. It is quite common to have a policy that forbids PRs without an issue or discussion first.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by wiether »

yoz-y wrote: post #90

One thing that I found LLMs useful for is devops. I had rather good experience using agents to setup and deploy own cloud, Jellyfin and co. I experimented also getting a VPS, just giving the LLM the ssh keys and having at it. It’s pretty good. If the AI stays afloat, then I think the future lies somewhere there. Not too sure about the security side of the things …

  > just giving the LLM the ssh keys and having at it. It’s pretty good.
I'm mostly fine letting AI write code because its easily auditable and you can follow changes through the Git history.

Whereas, it you let the AI go free on a server, you mostly have no idea what it did and where, so it's quite hard to audit and even harder to try and fix things.

So, unless relying on a declarative paradigm like NixOS does, I'm not ready to give AI the keys to my castles

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by hamandcheese »

bob1029 wrote: post #151

There seems to be a lot of variance between stated and revealed preferences around self-hosting. It often seems like presenting the image of being autonomous to our peers seems more important than actually achieving it. It takes a lot of energy to replicate what AWS and friends have done once we factor in concerns like the passage of time and entropy. I've never been able to keep a media/NAS appliance alive for much…

> if you can actually afford to use the cloud.

If you are an individual and you want to store a media library, you'll go broke instantly.

I have roughly 200TB of storage capacity, 100TB used, in my NAS. That would be $2300/mo on S3 before even getting to access fees and network egress.

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