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Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by somenameforme »

card_zero wrote: post #370
somenameforme wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider evolution because it's something similar on an even more gradual scale. Species tend to be very much like the things they came from, yet we have obviously a wide array of species over time because small differences can accumulate on their own 'branch' and eventually diverge to the point of creating entirely new species. But if a species chose to just stop having children, it's not going to have anywhere near…

You're saying it again! It's still not true. People think about the values that they're handed.

This isn't generally the sort of thing that calls for citations since you're presumably a human, and you presumably know plenty of other humans. And once you compare people to their parents, well - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree on average. There are of course plenty of exceptions, but it's also completely fair to call them exceptions.

In looking up some literature on it, it turns out that some studies have even studied and found what I alluded to of people trending ever more towards their parents values as they age. [1] They call it 'delayed activation'. But anyhow, yeah they found the exact same thing where our values become even more alike as we age. Pretty interesting stuff! And I think it makes the age aspect quite critical. I assumed I was one of those exceptions referenced above, yet reality had other plans in mind, in spite of my protestations.

[1] - https://sci-hub.si/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/...

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Not much of a surprise. Government action has been anemic at best. Industry action (overall) has been net negative. The only hope now is exponential growth of (solar and wind)+batteries making other sources uneconomic. This seems to be slowly happening, so I hope we hit the exponential curve soon and we're there quicker than we expect. This only stops it. Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture indus…

> Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture industry that will have to operate for a century, and probably past that so we can hit and maintain a CO2 level of 250ppm.

Which should probably be nuclear powered, at the required scale. So we could have taken the direct route, instead of solar, bess, wind, water, geothermal...(c.f. Alien, Aliens, 'Atmospheric Processor'...)

Anybody remembering the trash which was sold as 'lightbulbs' for about 15 years, before LED got somewhat acceptable colors? And prices? And longevity?

Mehw, lightbulb baad, eats too much waatt! So lets miniaturize CFLs to be able to screw them in lightbulb sockets! So they get warm because they are so small, the sockets have no airflow, and their own electronics go with a premature blow! Yay!

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by defrost »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #372
multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Not much of a surprise. Government action has been anemic at best. Industry action (overall) has been net negative. The only hope now is exponential growth of (solar and wind)+batteries making other sources uneconomic. This seems to be slowly happening, so I hope we hit the exponential curve soon and we're there quicker than we expect. This only stops it. Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture indus…

> Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture industry that will have to operate for a century, and probably past that so we can hit and maintain a CO2 level of 250ppm. Which should probably be nuclear powered, at the required scale. So we could have taken the direct route, instead of solar, bess, wind, water, geothermal...(c.f. Alien, Aliens, 'Atmospheric Processor'...) Anybody remembering the trash whi…

> Which should probably be nuclear powered, at the required scale.

Why?

Why not capture CO2, pump carbonated water into the Yilgarn Craton, recover the created hydrogen to both provide power and water to carbonate?

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

tyre wrote: post #264
Dumblydorr wrote: post #197

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It’s one piece of many. They never said it was the only piece. You’re straw-manning this comment. And vegan diets would make a big dent, look up agricultural sector emissions, look up beef emissions and methane from their burps. It’s a major factor after transport and electricity.

Yes, but there is zero shot at doing this versus energy and transportation. The major limiter of veganism is cultural. People love eating meat. It’s a major source of protein and calories, especially in developing countries. Americans are not going vegan, so it’s kind of silly, in my opinion, to focus on it as a solution. Compare to building nuclear energy or solar / wind + batteries. China, the US, Europe, and India…

> developing countries – Americans

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

defrost wrote: post #373
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture industry that will have to operate for a century, and probably past that so we can hit and maintain a CO2 level of 250ppm. Which should probably be nuclear powered, at the required scale. So we could have taken the direct route, instead of solar, bess, wind, water, geothermal...(c.f. Alien, Aliens, 'Atmospheric Processor'...) Anybody remembering the trash whi…

> Which should probably be nuclear powered, at the required scale. Why? Why not capture CO2, pump carbonated water into the Yilgarn Craton, recover the created hydrogen to both provide power and water to carbonate?

Because all the stuff required to do that does not grow on trees. Which means it has its own externalities regarding mass flows, EROI, emissions. At present time it just means the externalities have been made into other peoples problems. Regarding mining, tailings, transport, production, and so on.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by partyficial »

stackghost wrote: post #253
Der_Einzige wrote: post #63

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They consume far less meat and the specific types are the uniquely least polluting types Chicken/Fish produce an order of magnitude or in some cases two orders of magnitude less pollution than cows do. Trying to gaslight me on this topic even though I'm right on the part that matters. the "or" stands in for the context of the fact that Chicken/fish are an order of magnitude healthier for the planet, and frankly, for…

Veganism would be more popular if vegans weren't so insufferable.

the suffering of the animals being killed for your tastebuds outweighs your suffering of the "vegan-high-horse".

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by shuwix »

hyperbovine wrote: post #279
shuwix wrote: post #269

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Perfect example of "left behind" is EU, shooting itself in leg for many years with dubious results in terms of ecology ... and negligible in global scale.

Hey at least they are trying.

With politicans, "atleast they're trying" is the worst option. Either you know what you're doing ... or don't. Destroying local vital industries with tax burden, to pay subsidies to green bullcrap, and importing everything from other side of planet, that's "leftard ecology".

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by defrost »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #375
defrost wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which should probably be nuclear powered, at the required scale. Why? Why not capture CO2, pump carbonated water into the Yilgarn Craton, recover the created hydrogen to both provide power and water to carbonate?

Because all the stuff required to do that does not grow on trees. Which means it has its own externalities regarding mass flows, EROI, emissions. At present time it just means the externalities have been made into other peoples problems. Regarding mining, tailings, transport, production, and so on.

What tailings, what transport?

Serious questions here ... I'm also curious about your actual experience in heavy mineral and energy industry, largest plant you've worked at, scale of operation, etc.

(FWiW in fairness, I've worked a few decades in and around > half a billion tonne per annum mining and worked globally in geophysical mineral and energy exploration)

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by watwut »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #326
myaccountonhn wrote: post #297

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At this point its not preached from comfy first world countries, but rather countries that are getting unbareably hot in the summer. So much that more and more people are going to die each year as a result

It is actually worse than preaching because based on your comment it's pure ignorant superiority. You think 40 degrees celcius for few days in the summer is the apocalypse, then try living in an indian village where the temperatures reaches 50 degrees for one month, where you have to walk miles to get a barrel of water to drink. And then imagine having to live there for the whole life. Also now you say because there…

more than 75% of Indians think global warming is happening and say they are worried about it. They think that global warming will harm people in India.

People in India (more in north then in south) report having personally experienced severe heat waves and the effects of global warming, and think that global warming will harm them, their families, and their communities.

Turns out that people living in place with 50 degress who "have to walk miles to get a barrel of water to drink" dont want more extreme weather all that much

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by 1d22a »

internet2000 wrote: post #171

It's hard to have people use data in these types of conversations, so I'll just link two charts. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita and https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re... Notice which countries are going down. Notice which countries are going up.

Consumption-based charts are much better, as they account for the actual CO2 emissions of lifestyle in the country (since offshoring manufacturing from developed countries to developing countries doesn't reduce the total emissions, even if it makes our direct emissions stats look better).

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...

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