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Re: OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra on ARC-AGI-3

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Post by sfblah » Sat, Sep 05, 2026, 9:31 PM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #159

scotty79 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are basically random. 2% of population by top IQ test result has pretty much very similar distribution in all aspects to 100% of the population. It's not a high bar to be fastest processing one among 50 people.

If you calculate this properly, a Mensa member has about a cointoss chance to be the "smartest" among random group of 35 people (not 50). Given that they are probably rarely in groups of purely random people, if you are Mensa member and you are in a group of dozen people (for example in professional setting) you'd probably have a 50/50 chance of not being the one with the highest IQ there.

IQ is not randomly distributed in heterogeneous populations. Do a little research, and you'll see what I mean.

Re: OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra on ARC-AGI-3

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Post by mdp2021 » Sat, Sep 05, 2026, 11:44 PM UTC

ranyume wrote: post #150

spider-mario wrote: post #137

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I don’t follow your logic. “The gifted person is highly intelligent, just not good at deadlifting 500kg” does not diminish the 500kg deadlift and I wouldn’t expect an IQ test to measure it.

Deadlifting 500kg is not a form of intelligence (or it could be under certain scenarios). I carefully chose specific tasks for my comment, because those tasks do reflect a kind of intelligence that's not measured by IQ. I think the key here is to be wary of measurements that promise to capture the whole of what we consider intelligence (ie what people think of with IQs).

> measurements that promise to capture the whole of what we consider intelligence

And as we said, the "IQ tests" do not promise that.

> what people think

What people think is very irrelevant to truth - and we just disregard their opinion. It cannot have a weight.

What would be the gain in asking a layman about anything. It just makes no sense.

Re: OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra on ARC-AGI-3

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Post by tptacek » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 2:29 AM UTC

sfblah wrote: post #161

scotty79 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you calculate this properly, a Mensa member has about a cointoss chance to be the "smartest" among random group of 35 people (not 50). Given that they are probably rarely in groups of purely random people, if you are Mensa member and you are in a group of dozen people (for example in professional setting) you'd probably have a 50/50 chance of not being the one with the highest IQ there.

IQ is not randomly distributed in heterogeneous populations. Do a little research, and you'll see what I mean.

I did a little research, it's not clear what you mean.

Re: OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra on ARC-AGI-3

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Post by scotty79 » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 2:32 AM UTC

sfblah wrote: post #161

scotty79 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you calculate this properly, a Mensa member has about a cointoss chance to be the "smartest" among random group of 35 people (not 50). Given that they are probably rarely in groups of purely random people, if you are Mensa member and you are in a group of dozen people (for example in professional setting) you'd probably have a 50/50 chance of not being the one with the highest IQ there.

IQ is not randomly distributed in heterogeneous populations. Do a little research, and you'll see what I mean.

What should I research? IQ follows normal distribution across entire population. I guess if you'd built your heterogenous population out of mental patients and university professors together you'd get bimodal distribution, but such heterogenous populations don't spontaneously pop up in your life very often.