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Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by Danox »

p-e-w wrote: post #132
Danox wrote: post #100

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They are right now, but if Japan can do it, and China can do it so can Europe and by the way, so can Australia, New Zealand and Canada they have the abilities they just have to have the will and if they haven’t learned anything recently, they better develop the will. Once again congratulations.

None of the countries you name is even close to SpaceX. Not even close. Their most ambitious prototypes are on par or behind the rocket SpaceX has been flying for a decade commercially.

China and Japan have done it. You may not like the fact they have done it once or twice, they know how to do it from a technical standpoint and that’s only gonna grow in the future particularly China don’t act obtuse.

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Post by gpm »

vik0 wrote: post #174
cccbbbaaa wrote: post #170

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From a sovereignty perspective, does a launch from continental Europe actually matter when Arianespace/CNES/ESA has been launching from France for decades?

There is no sovereignty perspective because Europe isn't even sovereign to begin with. For starters it doesn't even have a common army

The sovereignty perspective here is the perspective of the sovereignty of the states that make up Europe not the sovereignty of the entity of the EU/Europe.

Though not every sovereign state has an army, see Iceland, Costa Rica, theoretically Japan, etc.

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Post by m4rtink »

mrtksn wrote: post #84
blini-kot wrote: post #2

Plesetsk is also european soil.

Europe is a vibe based concept, a place can be European or not depending on the vibes. Even the east west central etc. are completely vibe based. Portugal for example is Eastern European country, meanwhile Romania is central according to some textbooks.

Yeah, Romania being central Europe - impossible nonsense. Because Czech Republic is in central Europe!

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Post by m4rtink »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #190
formvoltron wrote: post #188

i was under the impression that the closer you launch from the equator, the less sustained force you need. wrong?

Right. You get a free ~1000mph from the equator.

Depending on the inclination - not much help to launch into a polar orbit for example.

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Post by Danox »

UpsideDownRide wrote: post #195
whatsThisBtn4 wrote: post #150

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That's essentially what they have done for military/defense. The United States saves the day. France pretends they are in charge with grand speeches. I was close to a European immigrant and 2 things she was shocked about: How rich the United States was. Even our poor had more than her upper middle class family had. How people in the United States do not take 2 hour coffee and cigarette breaks.

Is this the joke section of the comments?

The Taco section, with the way the present American administration has behaved. Most of our friends/allies are looking to protect themselves andbe prepared to go on without us. All it took was two years of buffoonery.

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Post by hparadiz »

wookmaster wrote: post #187
hparadiz wrote: post #140

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Some value coherent educated responses to emotional name calling. Being proud of devolving into that is something I don't share.

When something has been proven false for the thousandth time I value not seeing the falsehoods repeatedly with no consequences in the supposed false virtue of "coherent educated responses". In real life these same people are denied attendance to universities. They aren't hired at top companies. And they aren't treated seriously by the adults in the room. Yet for some reason on an anonymous online forum I am supposed to sit through the bullshit. In reality these people are sucking up all the air in the room and narcissistic-ally going "me me me look at me and my pet political agenda". They know they are wasting everyone's time and cherry picking. You call it a "personal attack" like it's the worst thing in the world when in reality in real life rolling my eyes and going "you're dumb" to someone is barely an insult. If that's all it takes to make your entire argument collapse then you really didn't have a leg to stand on.

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Post by scotty79 »

artisinal wrote: post #89
tristanj wrote: post #29

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French Guiana is not a colony, it is a region of France. People who live there have the same constitutional rights as anyone living in mainland France. It has the same status in France as Alaska does in the US.

That's legally true, but I think it misses the distinction between formal political status and the legacy of colonialism. French Guiana is an overseas department of France, and its residents have French citizenship and constitutional rights. But that doesn't mean the historical relationship was equivalent to mainland France, or that the effects of that history disappeared when the legal status changed. The same point…

How does it compare to Alaska? Wasn't it purchased as a colony from russians to exploit Alaskan gold with complete disreagrd for opinion of the native population?

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

hn_submit wrote: post #171
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #88

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ESA is going to remain on the mission/payload side. ArianeSpace makes sense as a launch services provider handling everything that's not the rocket. ArianeGroup (the company that actually builds the rockets) will just become the French rocket company that will end up competing with the Italian and German ones.

Like most "small rocket companies" they'll come to the conclusion that they need bigger rockets to launch bigger payloads. Rockets that compete directly with Ariane 6. With some luck these will be reusable to, making Ariane 6 and ArianeSpace obsolete. ESA and ArianeSpace will slowly but surely decay into obsolescence.

You seem to be confused about what organizations do what.

ESA neither launches or builds rockets. They are an end-user, and they own the launch infrastructure in Kourou. Both these roles will exist long after Ariane is gone.

Arianespace does not build rockets. It's a launch services provider, they purchase the rockets from other companies, handle all the logistics and manage the launchpad. It's in no way married to Ariane 6, and it has in the past and still does sell launches on multiple different rockets from different companies. There will be demand for these services even after Ariane the rocket is gone.

ArianeGroup is the company that builds Ariane 6. They are a complex co-owned project between Airbus and Safran, with workshare distributed between France and Germany. They make other things than the Ariane 6, notably the French SLBM. Eventually the Ariane 6 will go away, because it will be obsolete, but that will not necessarily mean that ArianeGroup will go under, because they have an another subsidiary called ArianeWorks developing a new rocket, called Themis.

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Post by atherton94027 »

m4rtink wrote: post #220
atherton94027 wrote: post #209

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This is incorrect, ArianeGroup is mostly french, it's a joint venture between Airbus and Safran.

Avio does the Ariane SRBs & it is an Italian company.

It's another 50% joint venture?
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