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Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article says Western Europe, but Norway is in Northern Europe. “First rocket to launch from Europe outside Russia” would have been perfectly correct.

In the political sense, «Western Europe» is typically taken to be «NATO Europe», and «Eastern Europe» is «Warsaw Pact Europe». Which is different from a strict geographic definition.

That is also not correct anymore as Northern countries were reallocated to include the Baltics in UN as an example.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

Does it mean that? Europe has had a space agency for a while now. So this story isn't "Europeans finally started to launch for space" but a private European company chose to launch from a continental location. It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

Yes, they've had a space agency, but the only launchers are expensive legacy vehicles.

This launch is a move towards lower cost and more frequent launches, that in the US are provided by SpaceX.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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post #22

This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

Does it mean that? Europe has had a space agency for a while now. So this story isn't "Europeans finally started to launch for space" but a private European company chose to launch from a continental location. It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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How can it be the first European rocket? There’s the ESA! Are you telling me we have all these organisations and none of them have ever launched from their own continent?

It isn't. Plesetsk is in European Russia and was built to prevent overreliance on Baikonur

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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post #22

This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

Does it mean that? Europe has had a space agency for a while now. So this story isn't "Europeans finally started to launch for space" but a private European company chose to launch from a continental location. It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

Have there been other rocket launches from continental Europe?

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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post #22

This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

I think having more distribution in launch locations and more provider options will ultimately be a net positive in the long run.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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How can it be the first European rocket? There’s the ESA! Are you telling me we have all these organisations and none of them have ever launched from their own continent?

The French used to launch their rockets from Algeria. Their first satellite was launched from there. Since then they moved to (French) Guiana. The UK launched from Australia.

And Russia launches some rockets from Plesetsk, in Europe.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you meant non-US? Although Ariane's rockets are wildly expensive and uncompetitive compared to SpaceX.

No, counterintuitively Ariane is non-EU. It launches from South America

If I drive my German-made VW sedan on American roads - how many people consider it an American car, and wonder if Germany has a real car industry or not?

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Really comes in handy to still have a couple of colonies near the equator. It's also better to have the massive amounts of emissions far away from your own population.

French Guiana is not a colony, it is a region of France. People who live there have the same constitutional rights as anyone living in mainland France. It has the same status in France as Alaska does in the US.

For what it's worth, Metropolitan France used to claim Algeria wasn't a colony either.
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