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The moral panic over data centres is foolish

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Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish

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“Moral panic” is just an academic jargon term for “settle down peasants.” “A backlash fuelled by misinformation and misunderstanding” is also just an academic jargon term for “my vision is superior, anyone who disagrees is out of stupidity, if they understood me they would agree.”

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“Moral panic” is just an academic jargon term for “settle down peasants.” “A backlash fuelled by misinformation and misunderstanding” is also just an academic jargon term for “my vision is superior, anyone who disagrees is out of stupidity, if they understood me they would agree.”

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Nah, make the cost of living unaffordable, make the homes and utilities unaffordable, pollute the water, and they’re preventing the kids from existing in the first place. It’s cleaner.

Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish

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It means that it works.

What does "it works" mean in this context? Are we prioritizing short-term political wins at cost of long-term competitiveness? Why are non-Western populations so excited by Ai while the West is eating fud? I suspect the data center thing has become popular because it's been a long time since people have felt like they can effect change in government policy. Details and nuance are irrelevant, there are larger, underly…

> Why are non-Western populations so excited by Ai

Are they excited? Or do they just not have political control at a local level?

Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish

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I have a lot of left leaning non-tech friends. They are all very much against AI data centers. I've built AI data centers, and I keep trying to educate them, but they just won't listen.

The water is mostly part of a closed system. Sure, you need a lot to build one, but once it's running it's pretty water efficient. The lack of green power is a problem, but as the article points out, you now have a large customer subsidizing the base cost of delivery, since they are only one delivery point, and they are financing new sources of power, which if properly regulated would be green power.

The noise is an issue, I will admit that. As is the fact that a lot of the power is coming from non-green sources. But the government could easily fix these problems with regulations that apply broadly, not just to datacenters.

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NIMBYs are the enemy of all that is good in the world. No datacenters isn't about AI or even resources like water or power, it's mostly about real-estate and housing prices as usual. If we listened to NIMBYs we would have no new infrastructure, no high density housing, no public transport.... oh wait.

> or even resources like water or power

I wonder, do you know how much energy or water is required to run a datacenter with direct liquid cooled systems?

Not the SOTA AI data centers which are popping up like mushrooms, a general ballpark is enough.

This is not a loaded question. Given your knowledge, you must be knowing much more than majority of HN.

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NIMBYs are the enemy of all that is good in the world. No datacenters isn't about AI or even resources like water or power, it's mostly about real-estate and housing prices as usual. If we listened to NIMBYs we would have no new infrastructure, no high density housing, no public transport.... oh wait.

Noise and air pollution are valid concerns with a lot of these datacentres being built as well. Some of these recent datacentres have been built close to residential areas, and the health harms are far more worrying than the property valuations IMO.

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NIMBYs are the enemy of all that is good in the world. No datacenters isn't about AI or even resources like water or power, it's mostly about real-estate and housing prices as usual. If we listened to NIMBYs we would have no new infrastructure, no high density housing, no public transport.... oh wait.

They need power and a lot of it. The one in Memphis built by Musk & co. currently uses 350MW & they are planning to expand it to 950MW. But these aren't even that bad because Google has data centers that use upwards of 2GW or more (Project Tembo (Wyoming)).
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