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Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by throw8393739 »

ThrowawayIP wrote: post #16
multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Not much of a surprise. Government action has been anemic at best. Industry action (overall) has been net negative. The only hope now is exponential growth of (solar and wind)+batteries making other sources uneconomic. This seems to be slowly happening, so I hope we hit the exponential curve soon and we're there quicker than we expect. This only stops it. Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture indus…

The technology-will-save-us mentality is part of the reason we are here. We live in a society that doesn't do anything unless it makes money for some set of decrepit old men. We had the means to avoid this (strict vegan diets, ground based mass transit, dense development & re-wilding, energy transition) but people made money doing the opposite. And more people made money sabotaging solar+battery pricing in the US. So…

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Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by sagarm »

jezzamon wrote: post #26
jkahrs595 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget eating meat, the easiest thing to stop doing (people needs cars and trucks for work, they don’t need cheeseburgers). People can’t be bothered to make any changes, it’s always someone else’s problem. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/27/meat-gas...

People need cars... But not trucks for work :)

People need cars because we designed our environments to require them. It was a choice, not an inevitability.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by Der_Einzige »

epistasis wrote: post #27
ThrowawayIP wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology-will-save-us mentality is part of the reason we are here. We live in a society that doesn't do anything unless it makes money for some set of decrepit old men. We had the means to avoid this (strict vegan diets, ground based mass transit, dense development & re-wilding, energy transition) but people made money doing the opposite. And more people made money sabotaging solar+battery pricing in the US. So…

No it isn't, the idea that strict vegan diets would have stoped climate change is just nonsense. Run the numbers. "Strict vegan diets" is the attitude of US activists telling the developing world that they need to change their behavior before the US activist is willing to accept driving less or adopting dense urban infill housing. "Making money" is the incentive system of society. Technology has now aligned society's…

Significant amounts of the third world are already eating de-facto vegetarian or vegan diets. Many for religious reasons (i.e. in India where the vast majority of people either eat no meat or only chicken/fish), and many others for financial reasons.

Strict vegan diets would objectively massively help reduce climate change.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by sagarm »

WarmWash wrote: post #3
multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Not much of a surprise. Government action has been anemic at best. Industry action (overall) has been net negative. The only hope now is exponential growth of (solar and wind)+batteries making other sources uneconomic. This seems to be slowly happening, so I hope we hit the exponential curve soon and we're there quicker than we expect. This only stops it. Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture indus…

>Not much of a surprise. Government action has been anemic at best. Industry action (overall) has been net negative. And individual action has switched to just holding governments and industry responsible. Which basically amounts to giving up. "Welp, just gonna buy this truck, enjoy my burgers, set the AC at 68 and fly on all vacations this year because it's nothing compared to Big Oil."

Government is the means by which the electorate acts collectively. Pushing for policy changes is not giving up.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by epistasis »

woodgala wrote: post #28
epistasis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite ironic that capitalism and the profit motive are now the best hope for staving off climate change, all thanks to the technologists and entrepreneurs that have mad renewables and storage so cheap. The 2020s climate action movement in the US (and the UK) was disastrous in their strategy, action, and outcomes. I was there, I followed along because it seemed like the best way to get climate action, but things…

What about energystar? That had significant impact. Remember how we fixed the ozone hole? It’s entirely possible to drive change through policy or community. We just choose not to do it because the Epstein class wants culture war not class war.

Yes, policy does change things!! You give examples where a community got together, changed policy, affecting all of society.

This is precisely the opposite of the disastrous 2020s action, which had no concrete policy demands, which leaned into the culture war. They ceded the ground to the right wing, who does that sort of culture war much better, as they have focused their efforts on it for so long.

With culture war, no policy changes. The fight takes place in vibes.

We need policy, execution in concrete changes of physical things in the real world. That's where Sunrise and XR failed.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by Smoofer »

jezzamon wrote: post #26
jkahrs595 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget eating meat, the easiest thing to stop doing (people needs cars and trucks for work, they don’t need cheeseburgers). People can’t be bothered to make any changes, it’s always someone else’s problem. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/27/meat-gas...

People need cars... But not trucks for work :)

Uhh a lot of people need trucks for their work

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by hypefi »

multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Not much of a surprise. Government action has been anemic at best. Industry action (overall) has been net negative. The only hope now is exponential growth of (solar and wind)+batteries making other sources uneconomic. This seems to be slowly happening, so I hope we hit the exponential curve soon and we're there quicker than we expect. This only stops it. Then, to fix it, we'll need a massive Direct Air Capture indus…

the best CO2 capture are trees

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by ben_w »

jezzamon wrote: post #26
jkahrs595 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget eating meat, the easiest thing to stop doing (people needs cars and trucks for work, they don’t need cheeseburgers). People can’t be bothered to make any changes, it’s always someone else’s problem. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/27/meat-gas...

People need cars... But not trucks for work :)

I've managed to avoid driving one for all but 1-2 years of my life, and I'm 42.

Your mileage, ironic phrase noted, may vary.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by sagarm »

what_hn wrote: post #12
benfortuna wrote: post #7

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> We can build resilience to the effects Oh yeah, would love to see the resilience that would have prevented the Nepalese disaster

Yeah, not build in the lowest point where there is a glacier upstream

The US version: kill the national flood insurance program so we stop subsidizing property owners in disaster prone areas.

Re: Global warming will exceed 1.5-degree limit, UN says

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Post by mistrial9 »

epistasis wrote: post #27
ThrowawayIP wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology-will-save-us mentality is part of the reason we are here. We live in a society that doesn't do anything unless it makes money for some set of decrepit old men. We had the means to avoid this (strict vegan diets, ground based mass transit, dense development & re-wilding, energy transition) but people made money doing the opposite. And more people made money sabotaging solar+battery pricing in the US. So…

No it isn't, the idea that strict vegan diets would have stoped climate change is just nonsense. Run the numbers. "Strict vegan diets" is the attitude of US activists telling the developing world that they need to change their behavior before the US activist is willing to accept driving less or adopting dense urban infill housing. "Making money" is the incentive system of society. Technology has now aligned society's…

who wants a "strict vegan diet" ? I see detractors who want to derail the topic using distasteful, demanding examples..
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