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O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by nilslindemann »

orbital-decay wrote: post #96
nilslindemann wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's a nice claim you just made up there, out of thin air. > If you have something specific in mind, you can say it. I need something to hack together a solution and then go on. I don't want to * Create GitHub issues and hope and then wait. * Learn how this GUI was written and fix it by modifying and compiling the source. What I n…

Window manipulation is trivial, most window managers are even natively programmable or at least support complex rulesets that don't need scripting for such basic tasks, I'm automating KWin in a similar manner for example. There's a myriad of tools for blind input macros. DE manipulation is generally done with DBus and CLI tools. UI element manipulation (menus, icons, widgets) is done through a11y, with things like ac…

Thank you, dick from the internet, for these links, which are not as relevant as you think they are. I will prefer my yanky, well-documented DSL. I think you are right with the userscript.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by notabotiswear »

majorchord wrote: post #70
notabotiswear wrote: post #64

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> They'll spy on users usage habits, and likely backdoor their OS for the feds, but they won't individually exfil your browser cookies and steal money from your bank account. What’s the difference between backdooring for the US gov’t and directly robbing/bugging you (assuming for the sake of argument that they don’t already do at least the latter)? Used to be that you’d only ask that question if you were brown and/or…

I think they are making the assumption that if such a govt backdoor existed, it wouldn't be used for generic mass spying, but instead targeted at specific individuals they are trying to find/arrest. That may or may not be true, but I feel like the former would be a whole lot harder to hide, and the risk of having to reveal it in court would likely mean they aren't going to blow their cover over someone who wasn't wor…

>Generic mass spying.

Like PRISM, Boundless Informant, Stellar Wind, etc?

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ptx wrote: post #73
nilslindemann wrote: post #50

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Fine, I will switch when your OS has Autohotkey, Total Commander, and allows me to log in as Administrator.

Double Commander is pretty good: https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/ It's cross-platform, so could switch file manager on Windows first to make it easier to switch to Linux later.

The couple times I tried it froze or crashed while doing ordinary things like copying files.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by kasabali »

eahm wrote: post #76

https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator made all those tools obsolete and useless for the most part, "debloating" after it's installed is always bad business. https://wpd.app works well too for extra telemetry and https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla still works with Windows 11 but again autounattend.xml works magic.

> https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator made all those tools obsolete and useless for the most part, "debloating" after it's installed is always bad business.

Unattended is no "magic". Go ahead and inspect the xml file created by that utility, all the customization and debloating is practically same as running a script post install.

If you really want to debloat before it's installed you want this: https://ntlite.com/

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by kasabali »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #72

- imagine a version of windows made from the ground up with 0 spyware, 0 adware, 0 bloatware - 100% minimal designed for absolute performance coded ground up in rust - backward compatibility by required drivers on the fly instead of bloating the OS with 30 yrs of support for all the. 456257963423512 hardware device types - Its called "Windows Maximal" priced 4x the cost of Windows Home - when are we getting this vers…

> - 100% minimal designed for absolute performance coded ground up in rust

Rust didn't exist in 90s yet Windows' performance was pretty good speed, consumption or bloat-wise.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by kasabali »

nerdsniper wrote: post #99
vivzkestrel wrote: post #72

- imagine a version of windows made from the ground up with 0 spyware, 0 adware, 0 bloatware - 100% minimal designed for absolute performance coded ground up in rust - backward compatibility by required drivers on the fly instead of bloating the OS with 30 yrs of support for all the. 456257963423512 hardware device types - Its called "Windows Maximal" priced 4x the cost of Windows Home - when are we getting this vers…

Windows LTSC / IoT comes pretty damned close. It's the only version I install. I'm always shocked by the <20 processes running in Task Manager on a clean install.

It may be 20 less but still hundreds. I'll never understand the LTSC advocacy, it is still the same thing except they mopped up the most disgusting looking liquid seeping out to the floor but didn't touch the huge turd sitting in the middle.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by kasabali »

nilslindemann wrote: post #93
orbital-decay wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, since you never even said what AHK feature you need it's impossible to suggest anything. Yes I used to use AHK years ago, but GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's why I can't think of anything special about it. GUI-blind input automation and macros? There's maybe a dozen different utilities for this on every OS. If you have something specific in mind, you ca…

> GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's a nice claim you just made up there, out of thin air. > If you have something specific in mind, you can say it. I need something to hack together a solution and then go on. I don't want to * Create GitHub issues and hope and then wait. * Learn how this GUI was written and fix it by modifying and compiling the source. What I n…

xdotool and wmctrl is what you need

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by eahm »

kasabali wrote: post #104
eahm wrote: post #76

https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator made all those tools obsolete and useless for the most part, "debloating" after it's installed is always bad business. https://wpd.app works well too for extra telemetry and https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla still works with Windows 11 but again autounattend.xml works magic.

> https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator made all those tools obsolete and useless for the most part, "debloating" after it's installed is always bad business. Unattended is no "magic". Go ahead and inspect the xml file created by that utility, all the customization and debloating is practically same as running a script post install. If you really want to debloat before it's installed you want this: https:/…

Some run post install, most during, NTLite is good as well but too much work since unattended.xml just works so well.

There was another one too at some point called MSMG Toolkit (IIRC) that worked wonders but who knows what happened to that.

After 30+ years of using every OS I just don't want to deal with an OS that constantly fights with you just to try to make it usable, unattended.xml is MY path of least resistance, configure once, check/update every now and then, no need to learn new tricks.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

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Post by nilslindemann »

kasabali wrote: post #108
nilslindemann wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's a nice claim you just made up there, out of thin air. > If you have something specific in mind, you can say it. I need something to hack together a solution and then go on. I don't want to * Create GitHub issues and hope and then wait. * Learn how this GUI was written and fix it by modifying and compiling the source. What I n…

xdotool and wmctrl is what you need

Interesting, but isn't Wayland the future? Edit: I see it links to alternatives to that, like ydotool and dotool. But these do not seem to be active, well documented projects. Far away from the usability of AutoHotkey.
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