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Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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Sounds more like we should end copyright worldwide.

Indeed it needs to happen, and even here on HN, it can be difficult for some to admit and acknowledge. It'd be great for this to be the first major relinquishment of nation-state power to happen without violence, without backroom deals, without wedge politics and flag waving. Just... let it go. It's beyond obvious that copyright is not going to exist in 1000 years. Every creature on earth - especially the internet -…

>> Copyright is serving exactly nobody today.

Are you sure about that?

So just to be clear;

You're advocating for the end of software licensing? Ie the removal of GPL or Open Source licenses? A landscape where any source code (or binary) can be snapped up by say Amazon or Microsoft and run via a paid subscription?

You're advocating for a business model which removes your access to local code and only allows access via a terminal or browser?

Because removal of copyright doesn't mean corporations go away. Rather it incentivizes business models that protect their products in other ways.

In the 80's and 90's, pre-internet, binary programs were distributed on media. An arms race of copiers and copy protection ensued. The copiers won, and since copyright enforcement has always been weak, business changed to favoring remote access (with subscription) over running locally via purchase.

At the same time Open Source and Free Software have thrived. Copyright protects that software being used outside the terms of the license. Indeed there's even outrage when it's used within the terms of the license (by AWS etc.)

Of course OSS still thrives under a copyrightless environment. (Free Software less so). But equally it means AI can simply be trained on it (probably no great loss since it's likely most of OSS will be AI generated anyway.)

Business however will adapt. And the easiest way to prevent coping now is simply remote execution. With a suitable Terms Of Use declaration.

Outside of software it would destroy music, movies, books etc. Basically it becomes a race to the bottom in terms of production costs (think user-generated You-Tube as the high-water mark.) But I assume you meant in the context of software.

Yes, I agree, that in much less than 1000 years copyright is dead. Because by then so much is in the public domain it doesn't matter anyway. Also because by then the last human programmer is long dead. AI will write anything you want, only you won't even ask because computer interfaces and abilities will be long past where we are now. You would have no need to create software any more than you need to build a plane or car today.

And those industries have taken less than 150 years to invent, explode, consolidate and commoditize. Indeed most of the complexity disappears when we go EV.

In 1000 years copyright is gone. But today it serves a lot of people.

Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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post #97

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Indeed it needs to happen, and even here on HN, it can be difficult for some to admit and acknowledge. It'd be great for this to be the first major relinquishment of nation-state power to happen without violence, without backroom deals, without wedge politics and flag waving. Just... let it go. It's beyond obvious that copyright is not going to exist in 1000 years. Every creature on earth - especially the internet -…

> Copyright is serving exactly nobody today Except for nearly everyone who writes anything (including software) or other artistic pursuits to make a living. This includes a majority of people here on HN.

People made a living juste fine before copyright stop spreading myths

Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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They lost me as a customer when they got rid of port forwarding, which is nice to have on the high seas

Curious what alternative you found as a replacement. Could you share?

Switched to Windscribe at the time, quite cheap.

Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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yeah I wouldn't be able to put food on the table if my employer didn't have exclusive license to the glue we use to stick together all that open source code we rely on. Which we now generate exclusively using AI, products of which are of unclear copyright status. Modern IP law inhibits productivity more than it helps, imo. LLMs have fundamentally changed our line of work, and they have done so by completely ignoring…

Copyright was not designed to maximize productivity. It was designed to maximize creativity and inventiveness (or, as stated in the US Constitution, the progress of science and the useful arts).

> t was designed to maximize creativity and inventiveness

If you look at outcomes it has completely failed while making big corps very rich in the process

Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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I would like to see your definition of fascism under which the German government is proto-fascist.

An authoritarian state that exercises oppressive power through legalistic institutions in league with a corporate oligarchy.

Germany has its problems, but it's consistently in the top 15 most democratic nations in the world.

Calling a solidly democratic nation "fascist" is a rhetorical reversal straight out of the authoritarian playbook.

Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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post #125

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An authoritarian state that exercises oppressive power through legalistic institutions in league with a corporate oligarchy.

Germany has its problems, but it's consistently in the top 15 most democratic nations in the world. Calling a solidly democratic nation "fascist" is a rhetorical reversal straight out of the authoritarian playbook.

Germany’s last officially fascist government was democratically elected

Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

#139
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds more like we should end copyright worldwide.

Indeed it needs to happen, and even here on HN, it can be difficult for some to admit and acknowledge. It'd be great for this to be the first major relinquishment of nation-state power to happen without violence, without backroom deals, without wedge politics and flag waving. Just... let it go. It's beyond obvious that copyright is not going to exist in 1000 years. Every creature on earth - especially the internet -…

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Re: Shutting down our public encrypted DNS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright was not designed to maximize productivity. It was designed to maximize creativity and inventiveness (or, as stated in the US Constitution, the progress of science and the useful arts).

> t was designed to maximize creativity and inventiveness If you look at outcomes it has completely failed while making big corps very rich in the process

Linux is a marvel of the world and a large amount of its contributions have been made by people being paid to do so for commercial purposes - and I am not sure that would be true without the GPL. Is there a convincing argument there?

And outside open source there has been a staggering amount of creative work at all quality levels done for commercial purposes under the protection of copyright. Is there a convincing argument that the last century of software and music and books and etc would have been just as staggering without copyright?

I would love to hear such an argument. In my youth I thought copyright was blatantly stupid and should be abolished. I still sorta think that but I don't have a convincing argument in the face of the absolutely massive amount of good work that has been produced under it.

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