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Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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Before we adorn our tinfoil hats and assume that the first thing the Facebook "Biz Dev" guys look at in the morning is their API stats, maybe this is an exercise in "Empowering" internal employees to work on side projects not directly associated with their core product. It also lends for a great headline about their dev culture which in turn attracts more dev talent.

The guy who led the development is Zuck's sidekick.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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This is true of any API from a for-profit company, just look at the problems with Google Maps and Twitter. If I were making a startup today, I would not piggy back off any of these social APIs for this reason.

Just letting you know in case it's not something you're aware of: your name reads like "Prostitute Shaun" in Mandarin.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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post #7

If you are as confused by OPs talking about 800lb gorillas and soforth as I was: Snapchat is a picture sharing application that uses facebook's API. Poke is a competitor that facebook made. OP is implying that facebook saw Snapchat's beginning success by seeing how many API calls they were making and then copied snapchat, instead of buying them. Thus: OP is implying that Facebook uses its API to see up-and-comers in…

Thanks for expanding this out, I jotted this out as a quick thought, without probably giving context to people who haven't been following the story over the last couple days.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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post #7

If you are as confused by OPs talking about 800lb gorillas and soforth as I was: Snapchat is a picture sharing application that uses facebook's API. Poke is a competitor that facebook made. OP is implying that facebook saw Snapchat's beginning success by seeing how many API calls they were making and then copied snapchat, instead of buying them. Thus: OP is implying that Facebook uses its API to see up-and-comers in…

They wouldn't of had the data otherwise. But I am sure Facebook keeps an eye on anything with high API calls, etc.. It'd be best to avoid using APIs if you don't want the owners seeing your success.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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So here's something that just happened 5 minutes ago. A girl I've been snapchatting with texted me and asked why the Poke app is just like snapchat. I asked her if it was better, and she said 'I haven't used it much, but it looks much better', and now we're using it instead of snapchat. Pretty fascinating. She downloaded the app because they're advertising it on their mobile app.

They possibly knew she used Snapchat, too.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

#16

The Apple app store rankings are public though... so couldn't anyone have seen that the app was doing well, and cloned it? Beyond raw resources, Facebook's big advantages seem to be its well-known brand and its ability to incubate new properties. That brand won't always help though - in some cases, a focused brand will have an advantage. And a viral property could negate Facebook's distribution advantages - although…

My suspicion is that App Store rank doesn't necessarily translate into highly used app. Many of the highly ranked apps get there by buying downloads. There definitely is a ton of open data on app success out there, though spotting an app with an organically fast growth rate and high DAU is probably much harder without access to quality data.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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This is true of any API from a for-profit company, just look at the problems with Google Maps and Twitter. If I were making a startup today, I would not piggy back off any of these social APIs for this reason.

The problem, and I speak from first hand experience here, is that its increasingly hard to make a successful consumer product that does not leverage these apis. They are accelerants, and if our primary goal is to find product market fit and take the market before anyone else, not using those accelerants can be quite detrimental.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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Can you tell us how much of the FB API SnapChat was using and if there's a "safe" way to take advantage of FB Graph and other features without leaking too much detail to FB?

I think this is the key question. I don't have an answer, but I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on it.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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post #15
post #4

So here's something that just happened 5 minutes ago. A girl I've been snapchatting with texted me and asked why the Poke app is just like snapchat. I asked her if it was better, and she said 'I haven't used it much, but it looks much better', and now we're using it instead of snapchat. Pretty fascinating. She downloaded the app because they're advertising it on their mobile app.

They possibly knew she used Snapchat, too.

this is the most important comment on this issue I've seen in a while. The fact is not just the fb learns which apps to clone; they learn who to promote the clones to AND can drive distribution in a way no one else, other than twitter, possibly can.

that said, at some point there's a tradeoff between being a marketplace for 3rd-party apps and seeking to win with your own proprietary apps across the board.

Re: Is Poke Proof That The Facebook API Is A Trojan Horse?

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post #7

If you are as confused by OPs talking about 800lb gorillas and soforth as I was: Snapchat is a picture sharing application that uses facebook's API. Poke is a competitor that facebook made. OP is implying that facebook saw Snapchat's beginning success by seeing how many API calls they were making and then copied snapchat, instead of buying them. Thus: OP is implying that Facebook uses its API to see up-and-comers in…

Well I think his argument is that basically instagram was the last great acquisition; it launched while Facebook had a very weak position in regards to mobile app development.
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