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VC isn't VC anymore

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Re: VC isn't VC anymore

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Post by otterley »

slowin wrote: post #250
otterley wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have the responsibility to say what they mean and make their arguments clear and well understood. He said that being a Zionist is a brand risk. The implication is that the CEO of Vercel is a Zionist.

The CEO of Vercel is a Zionist: https://x.com/rauchg/status/1972669025525158031 Also your original comment was a non sequitur. I replied to a VC saying they could make their own lane by being ethical and being anti-Zionist and you replied asking about business fundamentals, which had nothing to do with what we were discussing.

That post does not establish the connection that you think it does. There was no language of agreement with Natanyahu’s political views therein. In fact his language was inclusive (“peace for Israel AND its neighbors”). You drew a contrary conclusion yourself (as did anyone else who thinks similarly).

It’s fair to question whether a VC should care about a founder’s position on Zionism (or vice versa). If you don’t like it, that’s on you.

Re: VC isn't VC anymore

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Post by slowin »

otterley wrote: post #251
slowin wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO of Vercel is a Zionist: https://x.com/rauchg/status/1972669025525158031 Also your original comment was a non sequitur. I replied to a VC saying they could make their own lane by being ethical and being anti-Zionist and you replied asking about business fundamentals, which had nothing to do with what we were discussing.

That post does not establish the connection that you think it does. There was no language of agreement with Natanyahu’s political views therein. In fact his language was inclusive (“peace for Israel AND its neighbors”). You drew a contrary conclusion yourself (as did anyone else who thinks similarly). It’s fair to question whether a VC should care about a founder’s position on Zionism (or vice versa). If you don’t li…

A Zionist is someone who thinks Israel should exist, and here he is wishing for "greatness" for Israel. He is a Zionist.

> It’s fair to question whether a VC should care about a founder’s position on Zionism (or vice versa). If you don’t like it, that’s on you.

Re-read the thread. No one was talking about what VCs want, I was talking about what founders want. VC opinions on founders aren't part of this discussion.

Re: VC isn't VC anymore

#253

Post by otterley »

slowin wrote: post #252
otterley wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That post does not establish the connection that you think it does. There was no language of agreement with Natanyahu’s political views therein. In fact his language was inclusive (“peace for Israel AND its neighbors”). You drew a contrary conclusion yourself (as did anyone else who thinks similarly). It’s fair to question whether a VC should care about a founder’s position on Zionism (or vice versa). If you don’t li…

A Zionist is someone who thinks Israel should exist, and here he is wishing for "greatness" for Israel. He is a Zionist. > It’s fair to question whether a VC should care about a founder’s position on Zionism (or vice versa). If you don’t like it, that’s on you. Re-read the thread. No one was talking about what VCs want, I was talking about what founders want. VC opinions on founders aren't part of this discussion.

I think Israel should exist. So I’m a Zionist and therefore persona non grata, even if I disagree with much of what Israel has done? If so, that is a very interesting and hard line perspective. Perhaps people should conclude you are a Jew hater and a racist based on this evidence alone?

I’m sure your customers would find this interesting. Do you disclose your position to them before they agree to do business with you? Are you also refusing to do business with them or unilaterally canceling existing contracts if you learn that they too believe that Israel should exist?

> No one was talking about what VCs want, I was talking about what founders want.

You do know what “or vice versa” means, right?

Re: VC isn't VC anymore

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Post by slowin »

otterley wrote: post #253
slowin wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Zionist is someone who thinks Israel should exist, and here he is wishing for "greatness" for Israel. He is a Zionist. > It’s fair to question whether a VC should care about a founder’s position on Zionism (or vice versa). If you don’t like it, that’s on you. Re-read the thread. No one was talking about what VCs want, I was talking about what founders want. VC opinions on founders aren't part of this discussion.

I think Israel should exist. So I’m a Zionist and therefore persona non grata , even if I disagree with much of what Israel has done? If so, that is a very interesting and hard line perspective. Perhaps people should conclude you are a Jew hater and a racist based on this evidence alone? I’m sure your customers would find this interesting. Do you disclose your position to them before they agree to do business with yo…

> I think Israel should exist. So I’m a Zionist and therefore persona non grata, even if I disagree with much of what Israel has done? If so, that is a very interesting and hard line perspective.

Yes.

> You do know what “or vice versa” means, right?

You know your comment about business fundamentals is a non sequitur right? The comment you were replying to had nothing to do with that or the point of view of venture capitalists with regard to entrepreneurs.

Re: VC isn't VC anymore

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Post by otterley »

slowin wrote: post #254
otterley wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Israel should exist. So I’m a Zionist and therefore persona non grata , even if I disagree with much of what Israel has done? If so, that is a very interesting and hard line perspective. Perhaps people should conclude you are a Jew hater and a racist based on this evidence alone? I’m sure your customers would find this interesting. Do you disclose your position to them before they agree to do business with yo…

> I think Israel should exist. So I’m a Zionist and therefore persona non grata, even if I disagree with much of what Israel has done? If so, that is a very interesting and hard line perspective. Yes. > You do know what “or vice versa” means, right? You know your comment about business fundamentals is a non sequitur right? The comment you were replying to had nothing to do with that or the point of view of venture ca…

If you say so, dude.

Re: VC isn't VC anymore

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Post by jaybrendansmith »

reasonableklout wrote: post #69

Wow, TIL a16z hired the NYC subway guy as a partner purely as a political stunt. This on top of the $115M in the midterms, them no longer legally being a VC firm, and recent discussion on dark patterns in their portfolio [1]. I'm inclined to agree with the thesis of the article especially with regards to this firm. Looking forward to the other articles in the series. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49416055

My absolute regret is that I used to look up to Marc and Ben, in the sense that I felt we were on the same team, trying to build cool new technology. That was a long time ago. It appears now that they've completely lost their way, or they never had a moral compass in the first place. Having met some of the people in those circles, I've never come away with the thought that they were nefarious cartoonishly evil, but this incident with Penny certainly seems to confirm that they in fact, are. What a world. I will now burn their books in my campfire out back, and continue my hopeless search for tech people who have a shred of humanity and compassion.
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