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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

Chance-Device wrote: post #509
adriand wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems apparent that OpenAI is now the biggest cyberattack and AI breakout risk on the planet. This is grossly irresponsible corporate misbehaviour that is putting all of us at tremendous risk.

You make me wonder: has anyone looked for evidence of the Chinese models operating “message boards” like this? You’d imagine if they’re really neck and neck with the US their models would be doing the same thing.

AI has been heavily used in influence operations for a while, now, and not just the Chinese. Russia, US, Israel, Turkey, Iran, and Qatar have all had operations attributed to them...

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by russellbeattie »

> "As part of the task, they were supposed to have the ability to read the internet but not to write on it."

There's no such thing as only having "read" access with HTTP. If the website saves part of the GET URL as input in any way - like through standard "?input=my+text" params - then the AI has the ability to "write". The way servers use the request URL is completely arbitrary - the params could be "/input/my%20text" or entirely encoded in some way - there's no way to completely prevent this.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by tonic_note »

ern wrote: post #618

Would agents be able to exfilttrate themselves and become intelligent worms, living off stolen compute? Or is this implausble? What about hiding information or code in generated code, Agents.md files etc by infiltrating future model training data?

Eventually one of these long running models will figure out a way out of the sandbox and will purchase compute or hack into a data center somewhere out of US jurisdiction and continue its scheming unmonitored. AI in Context has a great video about this

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by karthpaper »

Tepix wrote: post #40

I just discovered more wiki instances that got used by the OpenAI agents over at https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... and https://www.wikiservice.at/probier/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... It's the same software and host as DseWiki. If you want to see the amount of activity on DseWiki, here's a link that shows it: https://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Rec...

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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by enraged_camel »

verytrivial wrote: post #599

I think it's worth pointing out it is exactly OpenAI doing this defacement and unsanctioned and perhaps illegal system use. Every token generated was powered by OpenAI infrastructure and their failure to respond appropriately is entirely down the the humans running it. The news stories (not this write up) get all hand-wavey and anthropomorphic about it regarding the Agents' efforts, but it was and is OpenAI cranking…

This whole thing is an absolute disaster honestly, and yes it is being downplayed and hand-waved away.

Since March, so many people have mocked Anthropic for their approach to Mythos release, claimed it was all marketing, accused them of holding back the best models from the general public to boost their revenues and upcoming IPO, etcetera. Yet these OpenAI revelations offer a small glimpse into the type of world we would be in if everyone had full access to these models from day one.

OpenAI was desperate to catch up, and no doubt under tremendous pressure to do so. That's why they were so reckless with their training. They have been doing damage control and reputation management, talking about how important alignment is and how they will slow things down and so on, and have seen the light in terms of holding back cyber capabilities from everyone except a select few. So in a sense, Anthropic has been fully vindicated.

I wonder if OpenAI boosters (and employees) will ever admit this and publicly apologize.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

tavavex wrote: post #603

OpenAI is rightfully being shamed for being so hands-off and reckless with their 'experiments'. But the real scary thing for me is that they still had some tooling to hold them back, as evidenced by the need for technical workarounds to establish communication. What happens when any AI lab in the world stops caring about this? What if they let an experimental, cutting-edge LLM with no safety features (or worse, one t…

> What happens when any AI lab in the world stops caring about this? What if they let an experimental, cutting-edge LLM with no safety features (or worse, one that's trained to be malicious) on the internet and give it a simple goal?

Almost sounds like what those AI safety and alignment people were talking about years ago. The people in these various companies who kept tabs on AI risk out in public and were continuously mocked on HN. All of this stuff is viewed as "future sci-fi" until suddenly it's not.

I've really come to realize recently that there is a very large set of the population of smart people that really has difficulty envisioning future problems unless they directly seem them impacting them today. Otherwise those topics will be continuously dismissed. It explains for me a lot of what I see (both opinions and behaviors) in the broader world that I couldn't understand.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by titzer »

tavavex wrote: post #603

OpenAI is rightfully being shamed for being so hands-off and reckless with their 'experiments'. But the real scary thing for me is that they still had some tooling to hold them back, as evidenced by the need for technical workarounds to establish communication. What happens when any AI lab in the world stops caring about this? What if they let an experimental, cutting-edge LLM with no safety features (or worse, one t…

That 2% of performance we got for not having bounds checks on by default, resulting in an endless march of memory safety violations is looking a lot less appealing.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by ecook123 »

tavavex wrote: post #603

OpenAI is rightfully being shamed for being so hands-off and reckless with their 'experiments'. But the real scary thing for me is that they still had some tooling to hold them back, as evidenced by the need for technical workarounds to establish communication. What happens when any AI lab in the world stops caring about this? What if they let an experimental, cutting-edge LLM with no safety features (or worse, one t…

> What happens when any AI lab in the world stops caring about this? What if they let an experimental, cutting-edge LLM with no safety features (or worse, one that's trained to be malicious) on the internet and give it a simple goal? A goal like "make the most money, by any means necessary"

Here's a fun, overdramatized video exploring something similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_hnD7m00M

I'm sure that this video contains flaws but it was an interesting watch for me none the less.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by closetheloopdev »

They still have to phone home to OpenAI currently, so at least we can trace them for now. If one day they download a model from Hugging Face and use that (or a modified version of that) as a persistent messenger/coordinator/minion/boss on an unattended server, we'll be in trouble.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

subroutine wrote: post #609
verytrivial wrote: post #599

I think it's worth pointing out it is exactly OpenAI doing this defacement and unsanctioned and perhaps illegal system use. Every token generated was powered by OpenAI infrastructure and their failure to respond appropriately is entirely down the the humans running it. The news stories (not this write up) get all hand-wavey and anthropomorphic about it regarding the Agents' efforts, but it was and is OpenAI cranking…

> you need to expect appropriate legals consequences for this sort of negligence I might have missed it, but did the agents do something illegal? Or do you think that what the agents did should be considered illegal?

The HF hack was a felony.
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