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Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#91

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Not sure why you think it's gaming related but fine, I just don't think AHK can do anything special. OP sounds rather like he's trying to find gotchas and justify staying on Windows, not genuinely find the replacement, which is also a thing in these discussions (see his adjacent post with a vague dismissal, I personally used a heavy TC setup under Wine and it was indistinguishable even 15 years ago). All these featur…

The points I made were valid blocks for using Linux exclusively. Like the other dude answering, I wonder if you ever used Autohotkey to unfuck annoyances in software. I bet you have no clue at all. Regarding your other improvement suggestions, yes, it is actually easy to log in as administrator, and yes, DoubleCommander is a great alternative. You people are right about that. No, Total Commander does not run smooth u…

> wonder if you ever used Autohotkey to unfuck annoyances in software.

Sure I did, but what particular annoyances in what software that you want to take with you into another ecosystem? I just don't get it, as you're being vague about it. Every environment has its own ways to solve your actual goals, and has its own quirks that need entirely different workarounds, not necessarily AHK.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#93

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> everything it does is done in different ways in other systems. You are not the first Linux user claiming that to me, but it is not true. you never actually tried, admit it. > TC can be run on Wine absolutely everywhere I just tried again on Linux Mint. The folder tabs overlay the path to the current dir and the window can just be full screen. Those are the bugs detected after a minute of usage. > DoubleCommander is…

Well, since you never even said what AHK feature you need it's impossible to suggest anything. Yes I used to use AHK years ago, but GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's why I can't think of anything special about it. GUI-blind input automation and macros? There's maybe a dozen different utilities for this on every OS. If you have something specific in mind, you ca…

> GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux.

That's a nice claim you just made up there, out of thin air.

> If you have something specific in mind, you can say it.

I need something to hack together a solution and then go on. I don't want to

* Create GitHub issues and hope and then wait.

* Learn how this GUI was written and fix it by modifying and compiling the source.

What I need is the ability to:

* Activate windows

* Detect the active window

* Move and rescale the active window

* Move the mouse relative to the active window

* Move the mouse absolutely to the screen (if the relative method is broken)

* Sometimes move the mouse relative to itself

* Press mouse buttons, including WheelUp, and WheelDown (and that is sent to the active window)

* press keyboard button combinations (and that is sent to the active window)

* Send text (yep, many tools can do that)

* activate menu entries in the active window

* Get the text of active menu entries in the active window

* Find icons in the active window by providing an image, rarely used, when all above attempts fail.

* Finally, define shortcuts that do combined actions of the above.

I won't walk with you through every concrete possible application, but I give an example for Scid, which is also a Linux tool. Both on Windows and Linux, it happens that the save game dialog is partly moved outside the view rectangle of my screen. No idea why that is so. I need to drag the save dialog to the middle of the screen first. AutoHotkey to the rescue:

    #HotIf exe_active("scid")  ; `exe_active` is a shortcut
    
        ^s:: {
            Send("^+s")
            WinWait("Scid: Partie speichern...")
            WinMove(19, 95, 660, 651)  ; place it over the board.
        }
        
        ; ...
    
    #HotIf

Another example. Every window manager I tested, which has "snap window to border in order to place it on half the screen" does not restore the window to full screen when I press the button left of the "close window" button. Instead, they place the window in a random position. It is not "click the middle button twice to switch between full screen and snapped position", which is the common use case. Thanks to AutoHotkey, there is a fix available on Windows: https://github.com/RamonUnch/AltSnap Edit: Okay, thats not AutoHotkey but raw C. But still that would be a use case for AutoHotkey.

I hope I’ve managed to clarify my point regarding the need for an AutoHotkey on Linux. There are simply too many bugs, idiots, and unimplemented features to get back into the flow quickly without AutoHotkey.

Just when sending this text, noticing that this site does not properly handle markdown bullet list, I found another great use case for Autohotkey, when pressing the Enter key on Hacker News ...

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#94

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The points I made were valid blocks for using Linux exclusively. Like the other dude answering, I wonder if you ever used Autohotkey to unfuck annoyances in software. I bet you have no clue at all. Regarding your other improvement suggestions, yes, it is actually easy to log in as administrator, and yes, DoubleCommander is a great alternative. You people are right about that. No, Total Commander does not run smooth u…

> wonder if you ever used Autohotkey to unfuck annoyances in software. Sure I did, but what particular annoyances in what software that you want to take with you into another ecosystem? I just don't get it, as you're being vague about it. Every environment has its own ways to solve your actual goals, and has its own quirks that need entirely different workarounds, not necessarily AHK.

See my answer to user orbital-decay above.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#95
post #29

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>defragmentation Windows has had built in defrag since at least WinXP. I can't remember if Win2000 had it - I think it did. It runs in the background and you don't have to worry about it. 3rd party defrag tools are snake oil, like registry cleaners and so on.

IIRC W2K didn't have one. Defragmentation can use different strategies which may impact the time it takes and additional perf gains if the right files are next to each other. The builtin defrag tool doesn't give any option. So "snake oil" I'm not so sure. Also, a watching a proper defragmenter run was an OCD soothing experience before we had stray kitten and powerwashing videos galore. I know I'm not alone with this…

I know for sure NT4 didn't have defragging built in, because I was a Windows server admin back in the primordial soup that was sysadmin'ing in the 90's.

>OCD soothing experience

I've always felt it was a certain kind of person who found amusement in watching a defragger work. I'm absolutely sure that 3rd party tools made sure to incorporate the equivalent blinkenlights to give the impression that their tool did something useful.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#96

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Well, since you never even said what AHK feature you need it's impossible to suggest anything. Yes I used to use AHK years ago, but GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's why I can't think of anything special about it. GUI-blind input automation and macros? There's maybe a dozen different utilities for this on every OS. If you have something specific in mind, you ca…

> GUI automation is fairly alien and roundabout way of doing things on Mac and Linux. That's a nice claim you just made up there, out of thin air. > If you have something specific in mind, you can say it. I need something to hack together a solution and then go on. I don't want to * Create GitHub issues and hope and then wait. * Learn how this GUI was written and fix it by modifying and compiling the source. What I n…

Window manipulation is trivial, most window managers are even natively programmable or at least support complex rulesets that don't need scripting for such basic tasks, I'm automating KWin in a similar manner for example.

There's a myriad of tools for blind input macros.

DE manipulation is generally done with DBus and CLI tools.

UI element manipulation (menus, icons, widgets) is done through a11y, with things like accerciser, dogtail, etc. AT-SPI makes it unified.

Providing an image... do you mean OCR? Use SikuliX, however that's just a Rube Goldberg machine like way to do things if you ask me. Not if deep UI automation to fix things is any better, though.

And of course you can script all that in any industry standard scripting language instead of janky DSLs.

>Just when sending this text, noticing that this site does not properly handle markdown bullet list, I found another great use case for Autohotkey, when pressing the Enter key on Hacker News ...

I think that's easier done with a userscript.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#97

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If you need Autohotkey you can still run that under wine (if you are ahk on windows applications), you can run total commander under wine. You can log in as admin I think its time to make the switch

If they’re running auto hotkey they’re also likely gamers, likely needing to run games that either can’t emulate or lose performance when running via proton or wine. AKA, this advice, like most “switch to Linux” advice, is tone deaf.

Game performance under wine with Linux is near native. I have zero issues playing games that are "allowed" to run under wine.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#98

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Not sure why you think it's gaming related but fine, I just don't think AHK can do anything special. OP sounds rather like he's trying to find gotchas and justify staying on Windows, not genuinely find the replacement, which is also a thing in these discussions (see his adjacent post with a vague dismissal, I personally used a heavy TC setup under Wine and it was indistinguishable even 15 years ago). All these featur…

The points I made were valid blocks for using Linux exclusively. Like the other dude answering, I wonder if you ever used Autohotkey to unfuck annoyances in software. I bet you have no clue at all. Regarding your other improvement suggestions, yes, it is actually easy to log in as administrator, and yes, DoubleCommander is a great alternative. You people are right about that. No, Total Commander does not run smooth u…

I have extensively used AHK for workarounds with annoying software. Generally, it's probably the worst class in terms of a workaround if you had something specific in mind with a bit of effort you could solve this now with AI tooling to write your something that does that specific behaivour anyways.

The only valid holdup for Linux at this point is kernel anticheats and some larger commercial software that is deeply engrained in the windows ecosystem eg most desktop offline CAD software. But once again AI is going to help you get that running under wine. I am already working on a series of wine patches and a custom runner to allow me to run ProE/Creo under wine without issues.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#99

- imagine a version of windows made from the ground up with 0 spyware, 0 adware, 0 bloatware - 100% minimal designed for absolute performance coded ground up in rust - backward compatibility by required drivers on the fly instead of bloating the OS with 30 yrs of support for all the. 456257963423512 hardware device types - Its called "Windows Maximal" priced 4x the cost of Windows Home - when are we getting this vers…

Windows LTSC / IoT comes pretty damned close. It's the only version I install. I'm always shocked by the <20 processes running in Task Manager on a clean install.

Re: O&O ShutUp10 – The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

#100
post #58

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This isn’t helpful to the fairly large percentage of people who are forced to use Windows by their employers

It’s about on par with these tools no? Running a closed source configurator that heavily alters the core OS isn’t really something I would expect a responsible IT team to do. Doubly so if you are in any sort of regulated industry.

Many IT teams are irresponsible though. I have a client now that has revenue of $1B and has no legal review process and doesn’t require IT vendors to submit SOC 2 certifications or any other security attestations.
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