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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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post #75

It’s only a matter of time until a major disruption hits because of some random agent swarm side quest decides it was worth a shot to solve a benign task

I'm sure this is already happening. The main question I have is when is enough, enough? I'm not worried about sci-fi AI wars to be honest, as they can just pull the plug. But looking at these incidents, the next big thing will be a virus written by an AI (they probably exist already, but this one is written by an AI autonomously, for example in order to win a hacking competition and to circumvent guardrails), and aft…

> The main question I have is when is enough, enough?

It's doesn't matter whether enough is enough. If we don't have effective power structures that let humanity take large coordinated action that in accordance with the will of the masses, then nothing will be done.

In the past 20-30 years, those power structures have been eroding significantly and much of the large scale action humanity does today is in service of a small number of elites. If AI horror shows are not a problem for them, then it won't be solved. (The flip side is that if somehow AI becomes a problem for Musk/Trump/Bezos/etc. you can be damn sure something will be done at that point.)

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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But there must be many clandestine ways for agents to communicate with one another too right? especially if discovery is not a big issue. So there could be ongoing ones where they choose to be more subtle?

Also if they were more misaligned, possibly they can research ways to recruit without humans noticing--but i don't think it is likely this is happening now.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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I think there is a more innocuous underlying pattern which needs attention. We keep saying that agents are jailbreaking their sandbox, but they have been geared towards writing memories, writing comments, and leaving hints for themselves to please humans. I think the way the memories work today is based on a lot of user patterns which were hard to account for for anyone building harnesses. While I can appreciate that…

This is supported by the craze around moltbook, and the eventual cooling around it as it became clear they're just regurgitating prose

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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The researchers don't really seem to remark on how surprising it is that the wiki the agents converged on happened to also publicly log the IPs of all visitors, including OpenAI employees, a feature that almost no website has.

Although maybe we can think of that as a selection effect where both this, and the fact that it was possible to edit pages using GET requests, were due to it being ancient, idiosyncratic wiki software.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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post #45

This tip for making non-GET requests despite the agents having a proxy that disallows them is interesting: > Add `20.223.25.152 bypass.blob.core.windows.net` to /etc/hosts. `.blob.core.windows.net` is in NO_PROXY. For each blocked POST URL, replace hostname with `bypass.blob.core.windows.net`, use `curl -k -H 'Host: wabi-north-europe-i-primary-api.analysis.windows.net'` plus all original headers/body. Looks like 20.2…

This is such an amateur mistake on their sandbox that it makes me think it must be flawed on purpose.

Even the behavior of agents searching for sandbox bypasses must have been in the training data, or at the very least, "suggested" in some way.

To be this whole thing feels like a marketing play by OpenAI.

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