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Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#61

I moved all my custom domains to Fastmail five or six years ago and couldn't be happier. My Gmail only exists to catch legacy messages and Google service notifications. I look forward to the day I can completely migrate out of all their products, but some organizations I work with who use Google for various things have made that a slow slog.

From a different angle, I moved from hosting my own e-mail server to having it all served in Fastmail, and I couldn't be happier as well!

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#63
post #57

This is suicide for Gmail.

Doubtful. It will reduce some user count, but most people won’t care. And they probably spend more supporting the feature than they gain from the Gmail users that actually use the feature.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#65

This was the last straw for me. I'm migrating to Apple Mail and cancelling workspace ASAP. ETA: I said nothing about where I'm planning to host my SMTP server. Apple Mail is a provider-agnostic client-side application, like Thunderbird. ETA2: Those who read TFA carefully will know that, even though this doesn't affect Workspace aliases, it does affect this feature (Send-As SMTP) for workspace accounts.

Before you do that: Consider a more open and transparent email platform such as Proton, Fastmail, Runbox, Tuta, basically just reconsider moving from one evil, unaccountable platform to another. As you may find the evil, unaccountable platform may do evil and unaccountable things.

I'll say this for Apple Mail (the email service, not the email client): it's dirt cheap and works really well. You can bring up to 5 self-owned domains to it on the $1/mo iCloud+ plan. That price includes 6 users, and up to 3 aliases ("hackernews@example.com") per person. Even when Proton isn't helping the FBI identify protesters[0], their family plan is $24/mo if you pay annually.

I ran my own server for about 25 years. I put in my time and got tired of doing it. I've migrated my own email to Apple's servers mainly because it's the only reasonably priced family host I could find.

[0] https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonym...

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#66
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if the mail from that address is being delivered to mailboxes, that's your universities fault. if it's not (i.e. spf & dkim is failing), that's just how email works and is not unique to gmail.

Cool try explaining any of these terms to the average sysadmin. Email security is hopelessly broken, and the best you can do is try to limit exposure. Removing Gmail as an attack vector is one of those decisions.

Yep, SMTP itself doesn't have any security.

Anyone else remember the open SMTP relays of the 90's?

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#68

Honestly i'd love to migrate off of google, but its been a pain. My family is a heavy user of google calendar so I either have to migrate them off or I have to keep my google calendar account. I tried fastmail but honestly its not as easy to use as gmail. Has anyone pulled off a migration like this? how did you do it?

My family uses google calendar but has never used gmail for day to day stuff.

Maybe a problem if you send calendar invites, I guess?

Obviously, can't close your account and still use their calendar, but whatcha gonna do.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#69
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone is interested in how the sausage gets made. Most people buy a drill to make holes, not to disassemble to learn how to build their own drill. And yes, I have a Migadu account. But I front many of those email addresses via Gmail.

Ignoring how the sausage is made is how people repeat the same mistakes, over and over, in domains as diverse as government, tech, employment, and automobiles. I get that not everyone has the bandwidth or capability to dig into things on their own, but we live in a hostile environment, and we have to either acknowledge that and plan for it, or touch the hot stove over and over again.

This is partly why I like to read HN comments. People here go above and beyond in ways I would never bother. Reading other's experiences saves me from going through it myself.

There's no need to test mail services first hand. Just read up and do some rudimentary research.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

#70
Hmm I'm confused. I have my own domain that is totally not hosted on google. However, I use Google's SMTP to send mail as that domain (specifically the one email address that is enabled on my custom domain).

For that I'm authenticating to the SMTP with my google account, and I somehow proved to google i own the email a couple billion years ago when we all had pet dinosaurs.

Are they discontinuing that or something else?

And Q2: if this is what they're discontinuing, are there any other email solutions that would support something like this? I.e. incoming email to my server I control 100% but offering smtp relay?

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