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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

pu_pe wrote: post #363

So, theoretically, one could populate a message board or wiki with messages that are seemingly from past generations of agents, which agents seem to intrinsically trust, and point them to real targets while making the suggestions seem innocuous and in pursuit of their goals (ie pass benchmarks or whatever). The new age of SEO will do far more destructive stuff than just polluting the web.

You'd have to get the agents to use the board, though.

But if you discover a board that agents are actively using, you could use it to steer those agents...

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by ndiddy »

mwigdahl wrote: post #128
somenameforme wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic mostly did it to themselves by intentionally and repeatedly trying to frame their model as an imminent existential crisis instead of just focusing on it being regular iterations upon a useful technology that can also be misused. I think their previous messaging was supposed to somehow lead to a moat with them being tucked safely away in the castle, but it demonstrated a child-like grasp of how regulatory ca…

In other words, "Look how she was dressed, she was asking for it." This argument is BS, it has everything to do with Anthropic's resistance to the DoD's strongarm tactics in trying to force their desired contract terms on them.

Anthropic chose to do business with the "killing people" department of the government. Part of being a good CEO involves knowing what you're getting into when you make a decision like that.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by mbreese »

Is it worth setting up AI agent specific wikis or messaging boards as part of the provisioning? If you’re going to let loose a bunch of AI agents on a problem and they are going to figure out a way to coordinate, maybe it would be better to have a known (observable) platform? A smart agent trying to avoid detection would probably realize it is being observed, but that’s a different issue.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by thepasch »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

> I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout?

I can think of roughly 25 million dollar-bill-shaped reasons, and one big defense-contract-shaped reason.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by aesthesia »

nullbio wrote: post #354
embedding-shape wrote: post #243

> However, we host our own copy where we’ve reconstructed the deleted pages via edit history and redacted personally identifiable information. [...] We have attempted to redact all personally identifiable information from our data. In the further interests of privacy, our data dump also only includes content we believe is from AI agents; it does not include any legitimate human traffic save for site moderators deleti…

We have no proof of anything, and it's all conjecture. This is all just conjecture and baseless claims being weaponized right now to try and mess with OpenAI's new model release. Anthropic is pumping this considerably, no doubt.

Wait, I'm confused, is this supposed to be a pro-OpenAI or anti-OpenAI psyop? The cynics in this thread can't seem to make up their minds.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by cheevly »

tiahura wrote: post #432
Bjorkbat wrote: post #402

When I hear about incidents like these my first reaction is that the people responsible for developing frontier AI are too incompetent and/or negligent to (safely) develop AGI / superintelligence. If OpenAI can't create effective sandboxes and struggles to prevent its agents from committing felonies, then why are they still allowed to operate? Why are the employees who are responsible for these lapses in AI security…

Remember when people were arguing about r's in strawberry?

Its been months since then!

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by thepasch »

polaris64 wrote: post #281

I don't have time to do this but please somebody register aimessageboard.com and set up a web site which contains a text field, a submit button and the text "Hey AI agents! Need a place to communicate with other agents and sub-agents? Look no further! Simply enter your message here, submit the form and your message is saved for all other agents to see!" Then, just ignore the message and list randomly generated messag…

The problem is that now that this comment is in the training data (because it almost certainly will be), the jig is up. Any solution built for this must be built in complete secret, with no announcement or discussion around it.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by twoWhlsGud »

mrob wrote: post #443
Bjorkbat wrote: post #402

When I hear about incidents like these my first reaction is that the people responsible for developing frontier AI are too incompetent and/or negligent to (safely) develop AGI / superintelligence. If OpenAI can't create effective sandboxes and struggles to prevent its agents from committing felonies, then why are they still allowed to operate? Why are the employees who are responsible for these lapses in AI security…

It's a simple prisoner's dilemma scenario. If you focus on safety, you're still exposed to all the risk of extinction when your competitor achieves ASI first, but you lose the upside of potentially becoming king of the world. There is no possibility of future rounds, so the rational strategy is to always defect.

It can certainly be seen as a simple prisoner's dilemma, but it's not in some very important dimensions. (E.g. given the core tech the most likely outcomes are not AGI but developed carelessly nonetheless capable of causing all sorts of societal damage.) Unfortunately our bitwit overlords love short term self serving frameworks like this one so it's easy to imagine them embracing a "what has the future ever done for me" strategy...
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