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Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by john_strinlai »

paxys wrote: post #47
john_strinlai wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if the mail from that address is being delivered to mailboxes, that's your universities fault. if it's not (i.e. spf & dkim is failing), that's just how email works and is not unique to gmail.

Cool try explaining any of these terms to the average sysadmin. Email security is hopelessly broken, and the best you can do is try to limit exposure. Removing Gmail as an attack vector is one of those decisions.

>Cool try explaining any of these terms to the average sysadmin.

if someone is managing a mail system and doesn't know what spf is, they should be immediately fired.

i am also not convinced this will remove or limit exposure to anything. the attack vector lives in the protocol, not the service used.

this might end up as a tiny, tiny blip in some small percentage of spammer/phisher operations.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by ericpauley »

wnevets wrote: post #19

> we occasionally have the difficult choice to discontinue features that require disproportionate maintenance resources. Am I really expected to believe that the billions of dollars the company makes in pure profit can't sustain this feature? Am I really expected to believe the touted productively gains granted by Google's AI can't sustain this feature?

The flip side of this is that GMail's Send-As feature has seen virtually no maintenance whatsoever. It's buggy-as and I expect most people (like myself) have been putting up with it out of inertia because switching email clients is a pain.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by carlosjobim »

lrvick wrote: post #14
ericpauley wrote: post #5

This was the last straw for me. I'm migrating to Apple Mail and cancelling workspace ASAP. ETA: I said nothing about where I'm planning to host my SMTP server. Apple Mail is a provider-agnostic client-side application, like Thunderbird. ETA2: Those who read TFA carefully will know that, even though this doesn't affect Workspace aliases, it does affect this feature (Send-As SMTP) for workspace accounts.

So you got burned by a centralized proprietary mail service suddenly making user-hostile changes, and your first instinct is to move to another centralized proprietary mail service by a company with a long history of user hostile changes? Truly modern consumer sensibilities are fascinating to me. Personally I do not use any Apple or Google products. There are so many better choices! Anyway, might I suggest services t…

Apple Mail is a client, not a host. It's an old school e-mail program on your computer, which you connect to whatever server your e-mail is. Whether that's your own domain, Gmail, iCloud, Hotmail or Yahoo or anything else.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by ericpauley »

HugoTea wrote: post #11
Calinterman wrote: post #4

This will probably grenade the plans for many small businesses, right now.

This doesn't apply to Google Workspace addresses that most small businesses will be using.

This is incorrect. The plan doesn't apply to workspace aliases, but it does apply to workspace users using Send-As via SMTP.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by jayturley »

throooooo wrote: post #33
zootboy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not wild at all. It's just behaving like any other MUA but with an extra step. You have to give GMail your SMTP submission credentials for the sending server of the target domain, then prove ownership of the specific address you want to send as. SPF/DKIM/DMARC works fine, as GMail is just submitting your message on your behalf the way any MUA would.

Oh, if they're sending via your provider's SMTP then that makes sense. Still, I can't imagine a lot of people use this feature.

We are a small web development company. I'd say that about 20% of our clients used this feature because gmail WAS their email client. They did't want to use a device-based mail client.

I am happy we will no longer have to support this. Losing the POP access a couple years ago got about half of them to move, and this will kill it off.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by DarmokTanagra »

wnevets wrote: post #19

> we occasionally have the difficult choice to discontinue features that require disproportionate maintenance resources. Am I really expected to believe that the billions of dollars the company makes in pure profit can't sustain this feature? Am I really expected to believe the touted productively gains granted by Google's AI can't sustain this feature?

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Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by matheusmoreira »

anticorporate wrote: post #31

I moved all my custom domains to Fastmail five or six years ago and couldn't be happier. My Gmail only exists to catch legacy messages and Google service notifications. I look forward to the day I can completely migrate out of all their products, but some organizations I work with who use Google for various things have made that a slow slog.

Me too. Moving mail to my own domain is one of the best things I've ever done.

To anyone considering it: just do it. Doesn't matter what provider you pick, the important thing is to start receiving mail via your own domain as soon as humanly possible. Once mail is going to your own domain, switching is as easy as updating DNS MX records.

Re: Gmail to end support for "Send as" for third-party addresses, such as @yahoo.com

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Post by dylan604 »

anticorporate wrote: post #31

I moved all my custom domains to Fastmail five or six years ago and couldn't be happier. My Gmail only exists to catch legacy messages and Google service notifications. I look forward to the day I can completely migrate out of all their products, but some organizations I work with who use Google for various things have made that a slow slog.

I only use gmail for providing to services. I have a fastmail account that I use for stuff I want. I treat gmail as a PO Box and my fastmail as my private mailbox. It is rare that I actually need to read my gmail other than when services only offer 2FA via email. It makes a huge difference
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