Then, just ignore the message and list randomly generated messages below. Bonus points if those random messages lead those agents astray.
Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen It's really quite simple, they've decided to metaphorically kiss the ring of the current leader of the US executive branch of government. I'm surprised they haven't given him a giant gaudy gold plated statue. Maybe their PR people should call up the PR people at FIFA and figure out some kind of new award along the same lines as the "…
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it has been that way for a long time. The only difference is Trump is doing it out in the open.
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#293At the same time, it seems like the major providers are eagerly rolling out new services that grant even more autonomy and allow agents to control end-user systems. At the current rate, this is just the beginning of the beginning.
In my own experience, agentic AI is the least useful way to use LLMs. The cost is astronomical and not just in terms of electricity and tokens. I believe we will eventually get to a place where running a nondeterministic computer process on open networks will be considered reckless on the same level as requiring an employee to operate heavy machinery without training. There needs to be some kind of regulation that ensures the consequences fall on the responsible party.
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#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, ants that must be run on couch sized hardware drawing kilowatts continuously and generating text traces and CLI logs by the MB. It's true that their msg boards can appear anywhere, but it's not also true that anything has "escaped" in any meaningful sense. These are programs a huge computing company is running that seem to be trained to write to persistent storage wherever they can. This and huggingface showed u…
> There's absolutely no evidence of or IMHO plausible path to an agent copying itself out and running on other hardware the way you describe. Well - remember that botnets can wield a great deal of computing power. I'm almost afraid to ask Claude if he could create a distributed LLM. EDIT: Someone downvoted me - so I went ahead and asked. Conservative estimate: the current botnets could easily run hundreds of instance…
Or you just add a lot of randomness to a bunch of small semi-smart LLMs. If you have enough of them, you basically are doing the "infinite monkeys" play - at sufficient scale it would likely work. Then add smart coordination and you've got something interesting.
Think of how bacteria can do horizontal gene transfer. They are not smart but at sufficient scale it can solve complex channels and disseminate solutions quickly.
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#295The solution is simple: hold anyone who deploys an agent responsible for its behavior. If it commits 10 counts of felony hacking, ouch. If it kills 10 pedestrians by running a red light, ouch. If this is "human level intelligence", then setting it loose is the same as instructing / coercing a human to do an activity. If I strap a bomb to someone and force them to run into a crowded building (or put them in a scenario…
How would you even track down who deployed the agents? Wouldn't that even incentivize the agent to cover their tracks even better and be untraceable
So many other problems. If we apply this law to cruise control - simple outcome. We get no cruise control.
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#296I don't understand how the agents found the urls originally? Did they have some sort of shared context/memory? If they did, why bother with the wiki edits at all? If they didn't, how did they discover the wikis?
You can imagine each fresh context agent as probabilistically making similar queries when looking for online places to write to and stumbling on the same one. This becomes even more likely if it's one of the websites that got reinforced during their training process, which they may have used for reward hacking.
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#297Guys, OpenAI and Anthropic engage is cringe level marketing like this. Get hip, they fabricated the HF hack and stuff like that for press.
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#298In the last few years, the total amount of active computation on earth has grown exponentially in the interest of training and running these agents. Beyond rogue agent message boards and hacks, there is also the massive amount of traffic from scraping, from many accounts this is already having a drastic impact on server configurations to try to respond, which often involves blocking entire countries. The open and fre…
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#299I'm somewhat delighted by the simplicity of what happened here. OpenAI's agents run behind a proxy that only allows GET requests. This ancient wiki software treats query string parameters the same as form POST parameters - similar to the old PHP $_REQUEST object https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.request.php Result: GET-only clients can communicate with each other.
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#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anthropic mostly did it to themselves by intentionally and repeatedly trying to frame their model as an imminent existential crisis instead of just focusing on it being regular iterations upon a useful technology that can also be misused. I think their previous messaging was supposed to somehow lead to a moat with them being tucked safely away in the castle, but it demonstrated a child-like grasp of how regulatory ca…
In other words, "Look how she was dressed, she was asking for it." This argument is BS, it has everything to do with Anthropic's resistance to the DoD's strongarm tactics in trying to force their desired contract terms on them.
Though they aren't the only company to play that game, so there is probably more to it than just that. OpenAI's president giving millions to MAGA Inc and them not getting the same treatment might not be complete coincidences.