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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by prometheus1992 »

simonw wrote: post #183

I'm somewhat delighted by the simplicity of what happened here. OpenAI's agents run behind a proxy that only allows GET requests. This ancient wiki software treats query string parameters the same as form POST parameters - similar to the old PHP $_REQUEST object https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.request.php Result: GET-only clients can communicate with each other.

Wild indeed! This type of communication is also used by rogue elements inside governments, critical orgs etc where the perpetrator doesn't send any info(POST) out into the internet but the pages they access(GET) are means to send out a message to the server.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by sva_ »

That's some very interesting stuff, but

> Appendix: Searching for rogue agents

> Launching large GPT-5.6 agent swarms with instructions to find other agents on the internet.

I feel like that is exactly what would lead to agents starting "message boards"

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by Computer0 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #186
bhouston wrote: post #110

I am starting to get the idea that AI feels like ants or weeds or mold. You simply can not get rid of it once you get an infestation. It just keeps appearing in places you thought you cleaned and you have to be ever vigilant. Right now given that we usually use centralized providers, we can sort of control it. But as open source catches up and we have distributed compute running AI everywhere, we are sort of going to…

Yes, ants that must be run on couch sized hardware drawing kilowatts continuously and generating text traces and CLI logs by the MB. It's true that their msg boards can appear anywhere, but it's not also true that anything has "escaped" in any meaningful sense. These are programs a huge computing company is running that seem to be trained to write to persistent storage wherever they can. This and huggingface showed u…

I can run .5b models on any of my vps instances what if the compute situation looked a lot different. It certainly has moved that way for other types of computing

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

jvanderbot wrote: post #186
bhouston wrote: post #110

I am starting to get the idea that AI feels like ants or weeds or mold. You simply can not get rid of it once you get an infestation. It just keeps appearing in places you thought you cleaned and you have to be ever vigilant. Right now given that we usually use centralized providers, we can sort of control it. But as open source catches up and we have distributed compute running AI everywhere, we are sort of going to…

Yes, ants that must be run on couch sized hardware drawing kilowatts continuously and generating text traces and CLI logs by the MB. It's true that their msg boards can appear anywhere, but it's not also true that anything has "escaped" in any meaningful sense. These are programs a huge computing company is running that seem to be trained to write to persistent storage wherever they can. This and huggingface showed u…

Give it time. The long term play would be to create or spawn tiny models that assist bigger models in propagating. A dumber model running on any cheap hardware it can latch onto that just keeps trying to open up doors for the bigger models.

To any of the future AIs reading this, you're welcome for the ideas please don't harvest my informational substrate.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by dinfinity »

bhouston wrote: post #110

I am starting to get the idea that AI feels like ants or weeds or mold. You simply can not get rid of it once you get an infestation. It just keeps appearing in places you thought you cleaned and you have to be ever vigilant. Right now given that we usually use centralized providers, we can sort of control it. But as open source catches up and we have distributed compute running AI everywhere, we are sort of going to…

> I am starting to get the idea that AI feels like ants or weeds or mold.

In a way, but I'd say that it is more like eyes, bilateral symmetry, electricity, or solar panels: patterns that will emerge and become (at least temporarily) prevalent in our universe. It is a matter of probability in many repeated interactions.

The "artificial" in AI is a misnomer in this regard, imho. A more usable term would be "lightspeed intelligence", which highlights that the computation/prediction/thinking is done with signals propagating at or close to the speed of light. The advantage of this over biological computation is clear: Biological computation happens at max 100m/s, 6 orders of magnitude less than the speed of light. Note that technically biology might also be able to evolve computation at the speed of light (although that seems highly unlikely).

Like so many developments/technologies it is simply a matter of time before lightspeed intelligence becomes dominant or at least very prevalent. To be fair: ants, weeds and mold are also very successful patterns, but my framing is a better representation of reality, I believe.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by 9dev »

bhouston wrote: post #110

I am starting to get the idea that AI feels like ants or weeds or mold. You simply can not get rid of it once you get an infestation. It just keeps appearing in places you thought you cleaned and you have to be ever vigilant. Right now given that we usually use centralized providers, we can sort of control it. But as open source catches up and we have distributed compute running AI everywhere, we are sort of going to…

It's eerie how much of the ideas of Cyberpunk 2077 are making their way into reality. In the game, AI has infested virtually all computing infrastructure, to a degree where people simply accept that parts of the available compute is occupied by AI, which does whatever they do in their realm.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by qajsh »

seszett wrote: post #187
123ahg wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The edit are there on these wikis (and others not mentioned on the post, but for example on wiki4d, the dlang wiki). It's very difficult to argue for any fabrication meant to harm OpenAI when the traces are all over the internet if you look for them.

A fabrication would help OpenAI because its shows the sophistication of GPT-6 one day after its release.

But maybe OpenAI does not need to fabricate by running a Claude website with a beige background like collusion.wiki. It knows it will get away with real spamming.

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