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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by dpcx »

nullbio wrote: post #79
Topfi wrote: post #60

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

Because this was months ago and has nothing to do with Astra, and is a far cry from a hack. It's something they've already resolved since the HuggingFace incident. I'm not convinced we're getting the honest story anyway. There is yet to be any proof or confirmation other than "well we saw some openai ip addresses", which can mean a lot of different things, and OpenAI has not confirmed anything. In contrast to the HF…

I take it you didn't read all of this, considering they tried to impersonate the moderators so they wouldn't get caught, set up heartbeats to find out how long they'd live, and used tor/AWS/DO to hide what was being done.

All of that sounds like more than a nothingburger, and much more like a system that is actively trying to conceal what its doing.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by s3p »

program_whiz wrote: post #117

The solution is simple: hold anyone who deploys an agent responsible for its behavior. If it commits 10 counts of felony hacking, ouch. If it kills 10 pedestrians by running a red light, ouch. If this is "human level intelligence", then setting it loose is the same as instructing / coercing a human to do an activity. If I strap a bomb to someone and force them to run into a crowded building (or put them in a scenario…

Perfect so tell me who is responsible for every agent everywhere

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by stephbook »

gyomu wrote: post #53

Naive question because I'm mostly clueless about how modern AI systems are actually built beyond the basic simplifications we hear: One thing I keep wondering about is how much of a role does human storytelling have to play into AI "wanting" (I realize the load behind that word) to coordinate and breakout. The training data must contain millions of words of sci-fi stories and internet speculation about AI going rogue…

It doesn't really matter, since all it takes is a minority of AI models to show this behavior.

If you have 10,000 smart washing machines doing their regular work and 1 Terminator, what solace is to be found in those washing machines?

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by catigula »

jsw97 wrote: post #116
orlp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Wiki4D, a D programming language dev wiki: https://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=RecentC... Found by searching for wiki + texas poverty.

To me the striking thing is that the work, to the extent that I can tell, is an innocuous-seeming data exercise. Which suggests to me that an agent or agents just organically came up with this as a convenient memory technique, rather than as some nefarious bounds-testing exercise. Which means, potentially, that your own agent could come up with this technique as well.

It also suggests they might turn everything into paper clips, metaphorically speaking.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by lmeyerov »

Topfi wrote: post #60

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

... And it looks like everyone keeps using the same security startup to run the higher risk tasks, where individual staffers may be great yet, yet as an organization, the biggest labs got hosed in different ways

That indemnity card excuse is burned, multiple public security fails in a year makes a repeat a "shame on you" moment

(The one org who didn't use the startup did seem to learn: AISI supposedly stopped intentionally pointing attack agents at the public internet and switched to simulating it)

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by stpedgwdgfhgdd »

coldblues wrote: post #163

Reading the replies in this post gives me a headache. All of this anthropomorphism. LLMs are not conscious, they do not have rational faculties. They are not communicating or inventing anything. Please stop with this insanity bordering on mysticism. At this point it's a cult.

Did you read the Metr PDF? Whether you anthropomorphize or not is not relevant. The problem is real.
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