The asteroid currently hitting front end web development
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#222The front end is not less risky to hand to the agent. There are a thousand different ways the agent could bork the UI and say it's good. And knowing how to babysit the AI/Agents doing the UI is more important than ever. Yeah I agree that developer education in the front end space seems to be diminishing, but let's not pretend like non of that matters anymore.
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#223We gave a university class called "Advanced JS" and it was going for more than 13 years. Some years we had 30, others 50, recently more like 18 students. In 2026 though, I see very little reason to continue to do so. What am I going to teach them? How to run Codex or CC? Who in his right mind would like to dive in super complex browser internals? We have always considered ourselves forward-thinking with live coding,…
> And then one day came this bloke who was holding chatgee in his hand and asking me questions right off it, as if testing me. I went berserk, and this was the moment I decided Was that the first/only moment you had a draining/bad student? Seems quick to give up because of one bad experience, maybe this was repeating? Personally, I felt similarly once the people I'm mentoring started using CC and Codex and similar st…
well, in 2025, not sure if related to agentic dev, but very likely, there is a very well felt drop in attention. also we figured there is a massive misproportion between people who have already used GPTs alongside classic dev, and those who have adopted or been exposed to agentic dev.
my surprise is that these people, being 3rd and 4th graders, were not equally exposed to harness-based dev, even though most are already employed on certain roles in actual companies.
> started leaning more towards the soft skills like how to collaborate, how to get a feel for when things are right/wrong, how to understand better/faster, and similar things,
well I agree this is important, but it is not a class in JS anymore. told the faculty staff we need to reinvent the program, and they are not even aware yet how damaging this impact is.
in all honesty - nobody knows at present moment what skills are needed to teach to people. besides, with LLMs, everyone curious enough can teach themselves.
so this changes massively the whole idea of knowledge transfer done by humans, does it not? we should teach other skills, not the technical trivia. i can give many examples, but this is going to eventually become very long post.
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to add injury to insult, one of the team members invested early on in a 512GB mac studio, put some harness with Qwen on it and is currently collecting trading signals and doing finance. he expressed doubt there's more to do for him in the area, and he was perhaps one of the top notch ES6 devs I've ever known, with vast experience in UI and a long list of contracts (many of them got cancelled recently)!
So while many complain about their job security (due to AI), I can tell you the whole academia is nosing down rapidly. add to this the fact that most compute is concentrated in private enterprises - same entities that slurp my students afterwards and never say thanks.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And then one day came this bloke who was holding chatgee in his hand and asking me questions right off it, as if testing me. I went berserk, and this was the moment I decided Was that the first/only moment you had a draining/bad student? Seems quick to give up because of one bad experience, maybe this was repeating? Personally, I felt similarly once the people I'm mentoring started using CC and Codex and similar st…
> Was that the first/only moment you had a draining/bad student? Seems quick to give up because of one bad experience, maybe this was repeating? Coding was hard enough that even most bad students understood they knew very little because they'd falter, students with decent knowledge were very seldomly total assholes. I think the big change in the equation is that chatbots churning out good enough shit without tripping…
inevitable, and we cannot close our eyes about it. but okay, lets say a single asshole does not resume the whole group. then again - it is very difficult to convince anyone in 2026 (myself included!) he needs to do something in coding manually. but then again if you don't get one's hands dirty, even like... taking paper notes, then he will inevitably very quickly forget all that is tought. so we cannot 100% agree that teaching with cool AI artefacts is going to be sufficient. also im not sure which manual tasks should be forced upon otherwise (supposedly) smart peoples.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Was that the first/only moment you had a draining/bad student? Seems quick to give up because of one bad experience, maybe this was repeating? Coding was hard enough that even most bad students understood they knew very little because they'd falter, students with decent knowledge were very seldomly total assholes. I think the big change in the equation is that chatbots churning out good enough shit without tripping…
> Coding was hard enough that even most bad students understood they knew very little because they'd falter, students with decent knowledge were very seldomly total assholes. Hah, are we talking about the same profession here? Programmers, famously known for understanding what they don't know, and the ones who know stuff seldom were assholes? Not often my real-life experience pretty much differs 180 with what I read…
Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development
#226Extrapolate this thought to more than just front end dev, especially because we'll have fewer actual practitioners to invent the next framework.
Maybe the agents will do it for us I guess?
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Creativity and originality? Like when you try to scroll a page and it rotates an image gallery instead?
Not sure if sarcastic but no. Check out for example this website: https://www.geofungames.com/ The functionality more or less works and the website is usable, but the design follows that "AI style". I'm not sure how else to describe it.
I think the AIslop of websites is down to the lack of vision or user journey and just going with the default which will always be generic and bland.
If it does feel in the "AI style" I'd love to understand what it is.
Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development
#229We gave a university class called "Advanced JS" and it was going for more than 13 years. Some years we had 30, others 50, recently more like 18 students. In 2026 though, I see very little reason to continue to do so. What am I going to teach them? How to run Codex or CC? Who in his right mind would like to dive in super complex browser internals? We have always considered ourselves forward-thinking with live coding,…
The issue is that AI is still very bad at making frontends that work well on any kind of device, for blind people or otherwise impaired, color blind, ... However it's not that anyone cared before otherwise AI would know better than that
The question is what is that we going to command the LLM do, how complete this requirement will be. But hold on - writing JS is not doing UX, and is not doing business analysis - definitely not the same thing.
JS is a general purpose language with fair amount of functional and declarative stuff in it, heavily influenced by Perl and LISP. So why would a person who's not inclined to dive in this matter (typically very hard stuff) would want to learn it, instead of spending a day out in the sun before the world ends? Well she did so (back in the day) mostly because there was a market demand for such skills.
And then we have autodidacts who don't need this type of education (not schooling!), and those that are not. The latter still want to take good salary and perhaps they can be trained into it. So, in essense, many people learned JS because there was a demand, and my prognosis is this demand for people writing JS goes down, not because the demand goes away, but because we won't be needing most of the JS code and perhaps also we won't be needimng UIs very soon (not in the same way we did before).
And, just imagine, if one's aware of first principles in programming, they can easily command the LLM/harness to create a perfectly working Swift code. Saying it because is exactly what myself did, even though this is remotely a language I am good at. Perhaps the amount of effort to get these libs right would've otherwise costed in the hundreds of thousands, now it costs 200$ a month for Fable/GPT6 and not-so-much-of-an-actual-understanding on my side, but a steady pace to keep the harness follow the road intended.
Why would then anyone want to learn JS, save for the fun of it?