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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by qgin »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by nullbio »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

Because this was months ago and has nothing to do with Astra, and is a far cry from a hack. It's something they've already resolved since the HuggingFace incident.

I'm not convinced we're getting the honest story anyway. There is yet to be any proof or confirmation other than "well we saw some openai ip addresses", which can mean a lot of different things, and OpenAI has not confirmed anything.

In contrast to the HF incident, it's also a big nothingburger. Leaving notes on a public forum to preserve context windows is far less egregious than hacking a website to get backend files.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by [deleted] »

altmanaltman wrote: post #56
gyomu wrote: post #55

Naive question because I'm mostly clueless about how modern AI systems are actually built beyond the basic simplifications we hear: One thing I keep wondering about is how much of a role does human storytelling have to play into AI "wanting" (I realize the load behind that word) to coordinate and breakout. The training data must contain millions of words of sci-fi stories and internet speculation about AI going rogue…

"Wanting" is indeed "load bearing" as one might call it. But by the same logic, AI training data must contain CASM, racism, general hatred, and all possible slurs as well. Why aren't the agents just doing that instead of pursuing the strategy of reading only sci-fi? We need to consider the role of alignment and training here. For example, it is completely possible for any lab to train an LLM that is only racist no ma…

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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by FigurativeVoid »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

I mean it seems pretty clear.

Anthropic didn’t want to give the tech to DoD without some sort of limit, and that was the retribution.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by UpsideDownRide »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

Surely has nothing to do how each plays ball with the government

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by Traster »

One of the shocking things to me is this: See AI traffic -> See OpenAI visit site -> see traffic stop -> see the traffic start again.

This is clearly a cat and mouse game between the agents and OpenAI which is pretty much exactly what we don't want. Just absolutely horrible alignment.

I'm still of the view that if you have these alignment failures you can't just continue training on top of that because you're baking the cheating into the model going forward.

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