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Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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krapp wrote: post #9
thataccount wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing for what is a majority. I'm talking about the large portions of Africa that still live in a hunter-gatherer situations in mud huts.

Africa comprises an entire continent. There are not large portions of it (or "large swaths") where people still live as hunter-gatherers living in mud huts, for any reasonable definition of "large portion."

> for any reasonable definition of "large portion."

I'm sure those relatively voiceless cultures will appreciate your minimization of their contribution to the peoples of Africa.

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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ahazred8ta wrote: post #10
thataccount wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing for what is a majority. I'm talking about the large portions of Africa that still live in a hunter-gatherer situations in mud huts.

Villages in New Guinea, the Amazon, etc, the word you're looking for is 'cultures'. Cultures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Pottery_culture & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people Civilizations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Great_Zimbabwe & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire & https://en…

>'cultures'.

That's interesting, because I don't really think of a "culture" as smaller than a "civilization". I think of a culture being a necessary thread that runs through a civilization and without which there are no civilizations.

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by krapp »

thataccount wrote: post #11
krapp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Africa comprises an entire continent. There are not large portions of it (or "large swaths") where people still live as hunter-gatherers living in mud huts, for any reasonable definition of "large portion."

> for any reasonable definition of "large portion." I'm sure those relatively voiceless cultures will appreciate your minimization of their contribution to the peoples of Africa.

You're the one who was claiming most Africans were hut-dwelling hunter-gatherers earlier. I'm not the one minimizing anything or anyone, just stop it.

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by thataccount »

krapp wrote: post #13
thataccount wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for any reasonable definition of "large portion." I'm sure those relatively voiceless cultures will appreciate your minimization of their contribution to the peoples of Africa.

You're the one who was claiming most Africans were hut-dwelling hunter-gatherers earlier. I'm not the one minimizing anything or anyone, just stop it.

Uh, what? I'm not sure where you are pulling that accusation from. I said very succinctly that I was not talking about what was the majority in Africa. I think you are confused.

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by jfjdkdkdkd »

krapp wrote: post #9
thataccount wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing for what is a majority. I'm talking about the large portions of Africa that still live in a hunter-gatherer situations in mud huts.

Africa comprises an entire continent. There are not large portions of it (or "large swaths") where people still live as hunter-gatherers living in mud huts, for any reasonable definition of "large portion."

its sad that your ideology allows you to tell lies without an oz of shame.

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by dvh »

Apparently their beets looked the same as ours:

> The kind of beets used in such an ancient recipe should not be different from the beets we use today, even in name. We read in Dictionary of Assyrian Botany (by Campbell Thompson, 1948) that in the ancient Mesopotamian region it was called ‘shumundar,’ it was as red as blood, and has a spinning-top shape (pp. 49, 51).

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by alephnerd »

dvh wrote: post #16

Apparently their beets looked the same as ours: > The kind of beets used in such an ancient recipe should not be different from the beets we use today, even in name. We read in Dictionary of Assyrian Botany (by Campbell Thompson, 1948) that in the ancient Mesopotamian region it was called ‘shumundar,’ it was as red as blood, and has a spinning-top shape (pp. 49, 51).

The recipe is also similar to Hamedh [0], a delicacy in Iraqi and Baghdadi Jewish households. The only major difference is the addition of tomatoes thanks to the Columbian Exchange, and rice - which would have not been cultivated or traded in West Asia yet.

On that note, in Arabic, Farsi, and Hindustani the word for Tomato is essentially shared (tumatar/tamatimu) with the English word "tomato".

But anyhow, a lot of home cooking and traditional meals actually have a pretty long history.

[0] - https://www.splendidtable.org/story/2000/12/12/hamad-iraqi-b...

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by tom_ »

thataccount wrote: post #2

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Curious indeed that the Yale Babylonian Collection should, out of all the possible options, choose the cooking of Ancient Babylon. I wonder what we should read into this. I have some theories, but it might be dangerous for me even to mention that I have them.

Re: Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

thataccount wrote: post #4
yubblegum wrote: post #3

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Cradle of civilization is not an odd culture. Babylon, meaning Gate of God, is one of the more profoundly influential urban civilizational clusters in human history.

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