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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Canadian here, so take with a grain of salt. Both Canada and the US don't have a national ID system, at all (short of a passport). A state/province issued driver's license is the default form of ID. If you don't have a driver's license it is very possible you don't have an ID. Most (if not all?) states and provinces will have some form of "non driving" ID available if needed. However, it is optional, costs money and…

>Most (if not all?) states and provinces will have some form of "non driving" ID available if needed. However, it is optional, costs money and requires other documentation to get it, such as an original copy of a birth certificate. False. Every state in the US has a free voter ID option.

You are missing the point.

Even if there is no financial cost, it requires documentation and time to get voter ID. It is not issued automatically. That's why 10% of the US population doesn't have form of ID that could be used to vote and will be disenfranchised under Republican voter ID requirements. Until that issue is fixed, voter ID is not something I can support.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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> So did you. Did you not see the links to factual evidence that I included? > This is about voter IDs (which are free), not drivers licenses. Now you're moving goalposts. Most people get their in the form of a driver's license, not as a pure voter ID. If a tiny minority of people get the free option, then how is it relevant? > Many states have mobile DMV offices that are stationed within walking distance during the…

>Did you not see the links to factual evidence that I included? You did not link to any factual evidence that made any claim contrary to the facts: Every state has free voter IDs. This is a fact. >Most people get their in the form of a driver's license, not as a pure voter ID. If a tiny minority of people get the free option, then how is it relevant? So not only do you now admit that free options exist, you're trying…

> You did not link to any factual evidence that made any claim contrary to the facts: Every state has free voter IDs.

You keep on repeating that. Your brain is hyper-focused on "every state has free voter ID card". Meanwhile you are consistently ignoring the context: 10% of Americans don't have voter ID of any kind. No state issues voter ID automatically. Those Americans will be disenfranchised under a Republican voter ID law. Until you can solve the disenfranchisement issue, voter ID requirement cannot be supported.

> So not only do you now admit that free options exist, you're trying to claim they're irrelevant.

Whether or not they cost money is not the point. The point is whether getting them is an obstacle that will disenfranchise legal voters.

> I accept your defeat.

Lol are you literally 13 years old? You definitely act like it.

>>This makes no sense. "Walking distance" to what? I have never heard of or seen such a program. If they exist, they are not terribly effective, given that 10% of the population still lack a valid ID. > "I haven't heard about it so it doesn't exist."

You didn't actually address my question. I asked "walking distance to what" because that obviously matters. And I didn't say they don't exist, I said that they aren't effective.

> That's exactly how it works in Europe, Czech Republic. If you don't have a copy, you request a new one.

No. In the Czech Republic, they are issued automatically because the government already has your birth certificate. Because IDs there are universal, there is a much lower barrier to entry. You dont know what you are talking about.

> That's not how it works in the US, you do not give away your birth certificate to a different part of the government.

You don't "give it away" and I didn't say that you did. You need to acquire your birth cert, then show it to the DMV. I don't even know why you would even argue this. You're just arguing to be argumentative. Again, you have the mind of a 13 year old.

> That's not why 10% don't have ID nor did I fail to address it. School is mandatory in the US yet 15% of Americans are illiterate.

Completely irrelevant comparison. In European countries, everyone has voter ID because the IDs are issued automatically, which does not happen in the US.

> You don't need a known audience to virtue signal to.

You are sad, pathetic person.

> You're not pursing justice, you're spew false propaganda and fighting a problem that doesn't exist.

Sad, without morals. Your low estimation of your fellow man reflects the weak state of your own conscience. You assume (falsely) that everyone is as self-interested as you are. I hope you find someone who can show you beauty and kindness in the world.

> That's not why they blocked the bill.

Citation needed.

> No country issues an ID automatically to anyone who makes a request. The ID is issued to you automatically after proving who you are. You don't need to petition the state with an attorney or pay a fee.

That's not what I said. Stop putting words in my mouth. At the point I can only include that you are intentionally misinterpreting me in order, I don't know, win internet points or just fill up your vacuous life.

Debating someone who is not interested in actually understnading the world but just incessantly repeating themselves like a dying insect is not rewarding for me or educational for you. So please grow up. Until then, I won't continue this conversation.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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You certainly already know what you're doing or you wouldn't have added your joke disclaimer. Here [1] is a clip of Trump "alluding to a third presidential term." You 'not knowing' he's joking has nothing to do with not having a sense of humor, as any human alive would know he's joking. So your rather wild conspiracies are based on jokes and a very broad extrapolation from 2020. So you have, in your own post - misinf…

> disclaimer No idea what disclaimer you are referring to. > as any human alive would know he's joking. On the contrary, I know that he's not joking. He doesn't think he's joking. This isn't a one-off comment: he's selling hats about running in 2028. He wasn't joking about "building the wall," about mass deportations, about tear-gassing peaceful protesters [1], or about trying to steal the 2020 election. Every time h…

When has he ever admitted to joking? More or less always if we speak of implicitness, but quite often explicitly as well. He knows that part will get snipped out by partisans which makes them look even more absurd. In the context I linked above he says, "I'm only kidding" literally immediately following his joke about a third term.

You haven't given any evidence. You've instead spread misinformation, relied heavily on broad sweeping assertions based primarily on such, and then combined that all into elaborate conspiracy theories. And then you complain about the quality of others' posts.

Partisanship just blinds people, and is something that should be avoided like the plague.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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You certainly already know what you're doing or you wouldn't have added your joke disclaimer. Here [1] is a clip of Trump "alluding to a third presidential term." You 'not knowing' he's joking has nothing to do with not having a sense of humor, as any human alive would know he's joking. So your rather wild conspiracies are based on jokes and a very broad extrapolation from 2020. So you have, in your own post - misinf…

> as any human alive would know he's joking You are perfectly demonstrating the lack of engagement I was referring to. You would have to ignore the entire history of his political career to think he is doing anything other than testing the waters here. Furthermore, he has done more than a single joke about this. Over multiple interviews, he has laid out specific methods he could use to functionally seek a third term,…

I think he genuinely believes that the 2020 election was likely stolen and that his extreme actions were a response to that. I also think he enjoys trolling the media, probably in part because its his personality but also probably because it's the best way to take on yellow journalism. By overtly feeding the media stuff that he knows will be taken out of context, he lets them destroy themselves. When the media run sensationalist stories framing jokes as legitimate positions, they make partisans rejoice, but they make everybody else look at the lot of the partisans and media alike and mostly just laugh. There's a reason confidence in the media is now in the 20s. 'Why aren't you taking these jokes seriously!?' isn't the most compelling call to action.

You're also, probably unintentionally, spreading misinformation here. Trump never laid out the idea of running as Vance's VP and forcing him aside. Rather, a journalist proposed that scenario (though it was "passing the baton" rather than forcing him out) and he said 'yeah that's one way [to have a third term]'. You can see the media tiptoe around this slightly inconvenient fact when running their stories. For instance here's [1] AP recently talking about third term stuff where they state "[Trump] acknowledged that one method was to be the running mate to Vice President JD Vance in 2028 — then have Vance step aside if the pair won."

That's accurate, but the implication to somebody who only relies on the media, instead of first party sources, is that Trump proposed it. Exactly like you're doing here. They feed you misinformation, you repeat it, and then believe other people who don't believe the same are themselves misinformed, because why would 'your' media lie to you. And that's a good question actually - it's not like there aren't endless completely genuine problems with Trump. The war with Iran is about as popular as AIDS, but for some reason the media didn't milk it anywhere near as much as they could have. How odd.

In any case, none of this would be news to you if you posted this in a place with more open discussion. Once again echo chambers are just so dumb, for everybody.

[1] - https://apnews.com/article/trump-third-term-postpresidency-f...

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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I don't think there is any federal law. Could be a law in your state.

I was talking as someone not in the US, but who doesn't have a national holiday either.

Ah, makes sense now.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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1 is flagged 2 Is a statement with a link. What is wrong with it? https://news.gallup.com/poll/652523/americans-endorse-early-... Requiring all voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote Democrats: 67%

1 was not yet flagged at the time that I wrote that. Nevertheless, you can reconstruct what was written from the quotes in its responses. > Which "side" has been fighting tooth and nail for unverifiable mail-in ballots > resisting all investigations of voting integrity? Basically, the comment asserted that Democrats are "pushing" for mail-in ballots, despite the fact that many Republican-controlled states (notably Mi…

It's a spectrum, so we'll just debate what the votes are for.

Do I want to see more of them, probably not. Does it deserved to be flagged, absolutely not.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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1 is flagged 2 Is a statement with a link. What is wrong with it? https://news.gallup.com/poll/652523/americans-endorse-early-... Requiring all voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote Democrats: 67%

#2 isn't really addressing the argument being made. > The fact that reputable sources were not provided to justify the need for fixes has been reputable source enough. The the question wasn't "what do people prefer" it was "what's the evidence this is a problem." People wanting a thing doesn't necessarily mean the thing is is a problem. But further, what the Trump admin is doing isn't the thing being polled. What's w…

It's clearly a nuanced topic that requires debate in good-faith, no?

So why is it flagged and not debated? If all counter points are flagged, then there is no discourse. The only discourse is all the people who agree with each other.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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You don't get it, or are not following through. The thread started with why a Conservative wouldn't post here. It's simple, it's not worth getting comments downvoted or flagged for having an unpopular opinion [not nationally but here]. You will say it's not a reasonable opinion, it's hate or fear and should be downvoted/flagged, but that is incorrect and exactly what leads to echo chambers. Which is ironic because HN…

I can assure you plenty of conservative views get shared on HN, all the time. Saying otherwise means you must not be on here much. It's just that defending the current administration, at this state, does take a level of bad faith that people on all sides of the political spectrum are sick of hearing. To imply it's only hardcore liberals flagging these comments is wishful thinking

"defending the current administration, at this state, does take a level of bad faith"

So every topic regarding current administration is a bad faith argument on the proponent side? Or just this one?

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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The thread is about general echo chamber / liberal bias though, not specifically on USPS/voter fraud. Any/Every discussion that makes the top page on HN about politics will flood out most of the conservative discussion, further most of the comments are echo chamber 'me too, Trump fascist' that adds very little to the conversation.

> Any/Every discussion that makes the top page on HN about politics will flood out most of the conservative discussion, further most of the comments are echo chamber 'me too, I keep waiting for all these well-thought-out, factually-based, good-faith arguments offered by conservatives but for some reason they never appear. It seems that the only comments written by conservatives are knee-jerk, xenophobic, semi-literat…

Are you talking about this particular topic, or all of them? Are you able to say one positive change current administration has purposefully done?

"I agree that it adds little to the conversation"

Do you think those comments should be flagged and [deleted] or they add value here and should be kept around?

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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There is something incredibly cancerous when a certain party abhors democracy, and does everything they can to undermine the voting rights or access to groups they think won't vote for them. I would expect most Americans would see this as grotesquely anti-American, and absolutely against the principals of the country. Instead it barely makes news and is just another "get whatever advantage you can" tactic.

You'd be surprised what hate is capable of. Once you paint a side as the enemy and convince half of the population of that, it becomes easy to carryout acts even if they're detrimental to the your side too. Look at the US economy and inflation caused by the tariffs and wars for instance. It's the 'our side is winning' mentality shortsightedness that destroys nations and institutions. By the time people realize this,…

> You'd be surprised what hate is capable of.

Up to and including causing illness and death to oneself and one's loved ones:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness

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