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Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

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I'm really curious how GML-5.3-flash would do. Very affordable, and it seems to do pretty well with 3D modeling.

yes experimenting with it actually, will update here! in fact we've generated most of the tourist spots in sf, should be reflected in the repo soon too

Hell yeah, whats your thoughts on doing it for like a whole city?

Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

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They’ve gotten better. ~2 years ago the assets all had millions of polys and you couldn’t use them with raycasting or even loading the model without crashing the tab. Tripo, Meshy, etc all have “smart low poly” now as a paid feature. It works.

> It works I'll believe that once I see it :) Have any actual viewable/browsable examples? Show us the wireframes, talk is cheap :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JZGjcLdfHPs

The main character model and several structures in this scene.

There is raycasting and full physics.

Like you, I experimented in the early days and was getting these millions of triangles for each model - as if it was volumetrically filling it with vertices.

Then, some time later they started rolling out “smart” and low poly features that solved it for me. Now if I make a house, it has a point at each corner, not millions all within it - which is what made it so difficult to actually use, because of the algorithms that crawl through all those nodes.

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> It works I'll believe that once I see it :) Have any actual viewable/browsable examples? Show us the wireframes, talk is cheap :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JZGjcLdfHPs The main character model and several structures in this scene. There is raycasting and full physics. Like you, I experimented in the early days and was getting these millions of triangles for each model - as if it was volumetrically filling it with vertices. Then, some time later they started rolling out “smart” and low poly features that solved it for me. Now if I make a house…

I think you might have linked the wrong video, I don't see a single wireframe in close shot in that video :£

Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

#104

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=JZGjcLdfHPs The main character model and several structures in this scene. There is raycasting and full physics. Like you, I experimented in the early days and was getting these millions of triangles for each model - as if it was volumetrically filling it with vertices. Then, some time later they started rolling out “smart” and low poly features that solved it for me. Now if I make a house…

I think you might have linked the wrong video, I don't see a single wireframe in close shot in that video :£

I did you one better and showed you a working implementation involving lighting, physics, and all the stuff you were worried about!

If I cared to prove how low the poly count is beyond a single HN comment - and if admitting to AI use to a gamer audience wasn’t suicide - you might get me to put a screenshot from Blender on the Community tab and talk about this topic!

But something tells me there will be some other excuse in your way ;)

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#105

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I think you might have linked the wrong video, I don't see a single wireframe in close shot in that video :£

I did you one better and showed you a working implementation involving lighting, physics, and all the stuff you were worried about! If I cared to prove how low the poly count is beyond a single HN comment - and if admitting to AI use to a gamer audience wasn’t suicide - you might get me to put a screenshot from Blender on the Community tab and talk about this topic! But something tells me there will be some other exc…

> I did you one better and showed you a working implementation involving lighting, physics, and all the stuff you were worried about!

Not showing wireframes is not "one better" than showing wireframes, when it's the quality of the meshes we're trying to get figure out, where lightning and anything else just distracts from actually being able to see it.

What I'm worried about, is this conversation continuing for even longer without any wireframes or actual .obj/.fbx appearing ever, and getting another non-answer why the quality of the mesh is no longer important or whatever, or for your particular art-style it doesn't matter, or ...

I just want to know concretely what quality people manage to get from it, because as far as I've tried various things, locally and remotely, the output (of the meshes) isn't very good.

Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

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I did you one better and showed you a working implementation involving lighting, physics, and all the stuff you were worried about! If I cared to prove how low the poly count is beyond a single HN comment - and if admitting to AI use to a gamer audience wasn’t suicide - you might get me to put a screenshot from Blender on the Community tab and talk about this topic! But something tells me there will be some other exc…

> I did you one better and showed you a working implementation involving lighting, physics, and all the stuff you were worried about! Not showing wireframes is not "one better" than showing wireframes, when it's the quality of the meshes we're trying to get figure out, where lightning and anything else just distracts from actually being able to see it. What I'm worried about, is this conversation continuing for even…

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Did you animate a 3d model of the car? or its a fully procedurally built animation?

It is a 3D-ish model being animated by a procedural motion system, rather than a pre-rendered/model animation. The car started from a low-poly DeLorean glTF. I had the model rebuild the geometry into inline Canvas code rather than just dropping a model into three.js. The flight itself is procedural: position/rotation, hover, pitch, wobble, flames, camera, etc. are all driven by code and can be scrubbed/debugged. That…

meshy.ai , tripo are good ones to use. They give you free credits as well. If you already have the low poly model its easy to apply textures for it.

Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

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I have experimented with this type of modeling for a RTS game I'm building: https://playwarpact.com Few things: 1. Opus 5 is just as good for this tbh and cheaper. 2. They don't generate optimized 3d models. They have high poly count for simple geometries. 3. A better approach I've utilized for game ready assets is to use the model to create low poly silhouettes of the 3d model and then bake textures that include a l…

I created a skill just for the 3d models. Works with Unreal Engine too. It generates an image using stable diffusion, then it transforms the object in the image into a 3d object using Hunyuan3D-2. You can check it out here: https://github.com/LaurentiuGabriel/unreal-game-assets-creat...

These are not game ready unfortunately. It will be clear that they are AI generated due to not so good mesh quality.

Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

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I have experimented with this type of modeling for a RTS game I'm building: https://playwarpact.com Few things: 1. Opus 5 is just as good for this tbh and cheaper. 2. They don't generate optimized 3d models. They have high poly count for simple geometries. 3. A better approach I've utilized for game ready assets is to use the model to create low poly silhouettes of the 3d model and then bake textures that include a l…

Please do post the tutorial. Also, your RTS looks great, I will definitely check it out!

thank you! working on it, will post soon.

Re: Fable 5.1 World Modeling

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> I did you one better and showed you a working implementation involving lighting, physics, and all the stuff you were worried about! Not showing wireframes is not "one better" than showing wireframes, when it's the quality of the meshes we're trying to get figure out, where lightning and anything else just distracts from actually being able to see it. What I'm worried about, is this conversation continuing for even…

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> Obviously you can make AI low poly models

Yeah, obviously, so why you keep spamming about irrelevant stuff? Wireframes or GTFO

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