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The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by latchkey »

toyg wrote: post #100
latchkey wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

one out of 10000000 customers.

Have you any idea of how many businesses need a financial consolidation tool, out of the total number of businesses out there? No, of course you don't, you write email servers. Sure, your local garage will now do their accounting in vibed apps instead of vibed Excel files. I suspect multinationals will choose not to.

I can see I'm under your skin as you're trying to make this personal. I have a long history of being early and correct with many things. What is transforming under your nose, faster than anything ever before, will take you for surprise, unless make a conscious decsion to wake up. Do yourself a favor and listen to what he's saying... https://youtu.be/NYFGCESmikA?t=2883

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by gedy »

Maybe I'm an outlier here but I moved into front end to steer products and the resultant architecture into making sense from the incomplete or contradictory "requirements" we got from product and even UX. I've been doing this for over 20 years and every company has needed good engineers to make the product a logical reality.

LLMs piping out UIs from PM prompts aren't solving that imho.

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by tuesdaynight »

cromka wrote: post #73
tuesdaynight wrote: post #54

In my useless opinion, most people are not aware of how big AI is and how bigger it will be in 3~5 years. It's not worthy to be worried about it, because it will be a global problem, but there are people who are completely blind about it

Nobody is aware, but neither are you. We may as well have plateaued already. You don't know that.

Even if that is the case, the current models are already revolutionary. We would spend years discovering all the capabilities of these things. And that is considering that the plateau would last for years. And I didn't say that nobody is aware. There are some people that follows the breakthroughs and model releases (in my life), and they agree with me

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by toyg »

latchkey wrote: post #101
toyg wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you any idea of how many businesses need a financial consolidation tool, out of the total number of businesses out there? No, of course you don't, you write email servers. Sure, your local garage will now do their accounting in vibed apps instead of vibed Excel files. I suspect multinationals will choose not to.

I can see I'm under your skin as you're trying to make this personal. I have a long history of being early and correct with many things. What is transforming under your nose, faster than anything ever before, will take you for surprise, unless make a conscious decsion to wake up. Do yourself a favor and listen to what he's saying... https://youtu.be/NYFGCESmikA?t=2883

I was not the one who brought personal qualifications into a public argument, Jon. I guess you don't like it when your lack of specialized knowledge becomes evident.

As I said, I already know what AI is doing - I already use it just fine, I even help building and selling it. The impact it is having is obvious. But like recipe books did not turn everyone into Michelin chefs, it won't turn hacks into rigorous builders of trusted systems.

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by theendisney »

mplewis wrote: post #62
dostick wrote: post #56

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She wouldn’t be able to do any of that without you setting it up first. She would not know anything about deepseek, meaning of a folder with index.html file. Would not know even what to ask ChatGPT, “I need a website”? You make it sound like easy task anyone can do, when you provided 99% of otherwise impossible for them to easily obtain key knowledge needed.

you can literally do that to chatgpt

Haha, yes. Can have it code a webserver from scratch on a disposable vape. Should be quite theraputic.

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by ramraj07 »

cube00 wrote: post #96

> If you write a React component with an agent, though, then the risk of just yolo’ing it into production is (typically) much lower. If your state management gets out of sync with the form controls your users are working with it can become pretty high risk because now users see one thing and something else actually gets sent to the backend.

If your coding agent screwed up so bad that wrong data is being shown to the user, in August 2026, thats more on the prompter than anything else.

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by ramraj07 »

rickbergfalk wrote: post #63

> Meanwhile, Cursor and Viget have blogged about migrating their codebases from Solid and Lit, respectively, to React. That was maddening to read. Here I was thinking we should all be migrating to better performing frontend solutions. Does it really take an agent that many more tokens to write Lit or regular HTML and HTMX?

At least last year most agents wrote materially worse code in htmx.

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by CqtGLRGcukpy »

There is going to come one day that companies (and any website owner) will wish they didn't use AI and instead used a simple (maybe even plain-text) website. That will come when people really need information from that website but can't get to it.

https://sparkbox.com/foundry/helene_and_mobile_web_performan...

Discussion regarding that post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46494734

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by hexapus »

CqtGLRGcukpy wrote: post #108

There is going to come one day that companies (and any website owner) will wish they didn't use AI and instead used a simple (maybe even plain-text) website. That will come when people really need information from that website but can't get to it. https://sparkbox.com/foundry/helene_and_mobile_web_performan... Discussion regarding that post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46494734

I wish that was the answer to all of these people setting their spouse, their grandmother, their boss loose with LLMs to build sites. It should just be acceptable to have a simple site that conveys information well, and then we wouldn't need to boil the seas to generate pages of shiny slop.

Re: The asteroid currently hitting front end web development

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Post by nozzlegear »

oefrha wrote: post #93
dostick wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She wouldn’t be able to do any of that without you setting it up first. She would not know anything about deepseek, meaning of a folder with index.html file. Would not know even what to ask ChatGPT, “I need a website”? You make it sound like easy task anyone can do, when you provided 99% of otherwise impossible for them to easily obtain key knowledge needed.

Any idiot can spend one minute now to acquire this amazing knowledge that you can just ask ChatGPT “I need a website”. If they don’t know now, sooner or later they’ll know from a short TikTok or something in the next couple of months/years. Not to mention AI companies are spending $$$ on ads to raise awareness; professionals already know they can create slides with LLMs, literally nothing’s different when it comes to…

You're not accounting for how deeply unpopular AI is with the general public. Would anyone be making those TikTok videos in the first place? Would OP's wife want to use AI if he wasn't there to advocate it?
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