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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by clhodapp »

abixb wrote: post #227

I want to take a step back: So, this is GPT-6 -- the natural number version release comparable to GPT-4 and GPT-5 from the past few years. The ARC-AGI-3 score is obviously impressive at 99.9% (we'll need to wait for more details on how they used the response API harness on GPT-6 Astra, wrt reasoning retention and compaction), but every other benchmarks seems to be a relatively modest improvement, comparable with any…

There has stopped being a formal procedural consequence for OpenAI leaders to declaring AGI, there is a clear (small) business benefit to doing so, and the capabilities of all the frontier models are impressive. So why not declare AGI? It's not like anyone can prove it's not...

Don't be surprised to see other (or even the same) people declaring AGI again and again, as it becomes the best time to do so for different parties.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by tintor »

- OpenAI claims Astra beats all benchmarks (compared to Fable and Opus, except "Humanity's Last Exam (w/ tools)"): https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/

- Artificial Analysis scores Astra (max effort) as 61 points on intelligence, behind Opus 5. https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gpt-6-astra

Who is wrong here?

Some benchmark results in Astra page for Fable and Opus are blank (-).

What is Artificial Analysis intelligence index measuring that Astra scores poorly on?

Can someone from OpenAI / Artificial Analysis comment / clarify?

Even OpenAI Astra page mentions the low scope from Artificial Analysis for Astra.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by tintor »

manlymuppet wrote: post #396

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

If it was Google's marketing department it would be: booking a table at a restaurant.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by m3kw9 »

intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

arc-agi3 is meaningless to most people. I'm not gonna look at the tests and see how hard it is. The actual test we look at is terminal bench, thats where software is being accelerated and closer to where rubber meets the road

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by m3kw9 »

kroaton wrote: post #296
dalemhurley wrote: post #284

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

I think it mostly shows that there is no moat and the only advantage the U.S companies have over the Chinese is more compute. Qwen Max, Kimi K3, GLM 5.3 are really close to Opus/Sol/Fable/Astra and they are open weights.

They have a lot of moat, i'm not sure what youa re talking about. Only amatures are using Qwen, open source stuff that is 3-8 weeks behind. Plus OpenAI has some verticals that keep people in there.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by kubrickslair »

tintor wrote: post #642

- OpenAI claims Astra beats all benchmarks (compared to Fable and Opus, except "Humanity's Last Exam (w/ tools)"): https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/ - Artificial Analysis scores Astra (max effort) as 61 points on intelligence, behind Opus 5. https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gpt-6-astra Who is wrong here? Some benchmark results in Astra page for Fable and Opus are blank (-). What is Artificial Analysis intelli…

Many people claim that the Artificial Analysis Index is highly contaminated - I have not personally looked into it.

Though, unlike the creators of benchmarks like Terminal Bench or ARC AGI, the Artificial Analysis Index team does not seem to have deep technical or ML backgrounds. They are ex-strategy consultants, McKinsey, et. al.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by lonrenor »

XCSme wrote: post #333

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

IMO there has been a regime shift to building things for yourself and what is cool is the output of the tools you make.

I have started building my own Digital Audio Workstation. The point is not to build something to compete with Ableton. The point is to build something and make music with it. If it is a good tool then I should be able to make good music with it and release the music. Actually, the DAW should be the secret sauce of the music and something I wouldn't want to give away.

This feels a lot more like computing in the 90s after taking an odd 25 year detour of an obsession with the tools themselves instead of what the tools can actually do.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by tiahura »

zug_zug wrote: post #381
intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

That would be Artificial Super Intelligence

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by tintor »

kubrickslair wrote: post #646
tintor wrote: post #642

- OpenAI claims Astra beats all benchmarks (compared to Fable and Opus, except "Humanity's Last Exam (w/ tools)"): https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/ - Artificial Analysis scores Astra (max effort) as 61 points on intelligence, behind Opus 5. https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gpt-6-astra Who is wrong here? Some benchmark results in Astra page for Fable and Opus are blank (-). What is Artificial Analysis intelli…

Many people claim that the Artificial Analysis Index is highly contaminated - I have not personally looked into it. Though, unlike the creators of benchmarks like Terminal Bench or ARC AGI, the Artificial Analysis Index team does not seem to have deep technical or ML backgrounds. They are ex-strategy consultants, McKinsey, et. al.

OpenAI clearly cares about Artificial Analysis Index since they included Astra score from Artificial Analysis Index.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by preommr »

tintor wrote: post #643
manlymuppet wrote: post #396

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

If it was Google's marketing department it would be: booking a table at a restaurant.

close enough.

The second to last line is "book it" for some tennis thing, and the scene before that has the guy eating the food the ai ordered.

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