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Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by like_any_other »

root_axis wrote: post #180
icantevenhold wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should break these companies apart - they should not have that level of power.

A politically impossible outcome that isn't worth hanging our hopes on. A more realistic approach is legislation that either forbids providers from suspending or otherwise limiting access to any government integrated system or simply forbidding these types of integrations altogether.

> politically impossible

Is it? Are tech companies so popular that voters would revolt if politicians proposed break-ups? They would not be the first - Standard Oil and Bell were also powerful corporations that got split.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by LorenPechtel »

nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

And there's the problem that they can do this with no recourse and no defense permitted.

I'm reminded of the guy who lost his Google access over "child pornography"--a picture sent to his little boy's pediatrician that got automatically uploaded. The police agreed he had done nothing wrong, Google didn't give him his account back.

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Post by simonw »

x0x0 wrote: post #79
pkfz wrote: post #67

That reminds me the story about closing family wide Google accounts, because of a kid, whose account was managed by Google Family Link, was sending naked selfies to Gemini https://www.pcworld.com/article/3104521/teenagers-gemini-mis...

fwiw, google said that didn't happen. https://www.androidauthority.com/google-account-bans-3654171... Not taking a side, but I remember that too and had looked later. That said, I deliberately don't trust any google services. Fastmail is great; you all should try it. Google capriciously bans accounts, so keep your email elsewhere.

I talked about that case with a friend who used to work at Google and, whether or not that specific case was true, he did confirm that any CSAM at all in an account can very often make account recovery completely impossible.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by hirvi74 »

danschuller wrote: post #4

Apart from the products not being very competitive this is the main reason I'm reluctant to use any Google models / AI products. The account is way to precious thing to lose based on some AI classifier misfiring and then you know there's good route to get it reenabled.

Couldn't one just make a separate Google account for the models/AI products? I usually have multiple accounts with most providers, multiple banks, multiple brokerages, etc.. It really is not that difficult to manage.

Though, I only have one HN account, fwiw.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by Grombobulous »

Is anyone really using Antigravity? It seemed rather hyped when it launched but since then I have heard absolutely nothing about it and don’t have a single contact in my Rolodex who uses it.

Out of all the AI-enabled coding environments it seems to have the most downsides.

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Post by dqv »

rsync wrote: post #135
bingbong4748 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mom’s Gmail account got banned for no reason whatsoever last week. Since then they removed her recovery number and 2FA as they ‘looked suspicious’. Access to nearly 20 years of emails, photos and docs gone in an instant. It’s been particularly painful because she used Google to log in to everything too, including for health records that she needs. There is no way of contacting anyone at Google about it and apparen…

“… There is no way of contacting anyone at Google about it …” Of course there is: you pay your lawyer to send correspondence by registered mail. Then you have them send followup correspondence a week or so later. You will absolutely get a response.

Nah, we all pay for a lawyer with our taxes: the attorney general.

What you do is send Google your own correspondence, certified mail, giving them a heads up that you've contacted the attorney general. That usually gets an even quicker response than from a personal lawyer :)

It also gives the attorney general office a heads up if they need to be scrutinizing a company like Google more carefully if they're getting a lot of complaints.

Situations like this are exactly what they're here for.

https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Post by inetknght »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #120
RedShift1 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gov. logins and services should never depend on companies like Google.

This is the solution. Implementing auth isn't that difficult.

Oh yeah, auth itself isn't that difficult. But... auth resilient against malicious actors?

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by nyorai »

simonsarris wrote: post #87

> The wording is confusing but the account in question is the Antigravity account. We will change the ToS wording here to make that clearer. - Varun Mohan on the antigravity team https://x.com/_mohansolo/status/2095529407033000260

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by r0fl »

I’ve been an antigravity user since day one. It’s been great when I hit usage limits.

I’ve uninstalled it and will never again use a Google ai product since my Gmail account is simply too important to lose. I don’t care if it’s 10x better and 10x cheaper , these kind of terms are insane!

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