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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by marrone12 »

intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

They still seem pretty horrible at writing. Overly complicated prose, weird phrasing, poorly structured paragraphs. I don't know why they're so bad at communicating, but I feel very confident that humans are still much better at writing than any of these LLM models are, regardless of how advanced they are in other areas.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by theappsecguy »

MrAbstract wrote: post #381
Chinjut wrote: post #319

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

I have exactly the same thoughts - or perhaps slightly bleaker ones - evry time I read this relentless stream of news about new model releases. I’m tired of all the enthusiastic comments about how excited everyone is about the latest benchmark results and so on. I have a strong suspicion that many of those comments are written by people who are already financially independent, have millions in stocks, and can just si…

Are you doing less work now because of AI? Not sure about you, but I'm doing a lot more work. Not saying I like doing more, or how it's getting done, but nonetheless I don't feel like AI is doing what the CEOs of AI labs want to convince everyone of.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by degamad »

echoangle wrote: post #539
manlymuppet wrote: post #400

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

That’s exactly the problem I have with all this agent ideas too. Imagine you had a human concierge that is just waiting for your instructions and is as smart or a bit smarter than you. Would you just tell them “plan this holiday for me” or “order this food”? I don’t even trust my friends to get this right, why would I give this to someone else?

Because some people do.

Corporate travel is an example. In many organisations, you tell someone in the travel department "I need to be in Tokyo for this conference from Tuesday to Sunday, and charge it to this cost code", and they figure out flights, accommodation, etc for you, with minimal input from you.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by sensanaty »

thi2 wrote: post #590
manlymuppet wrote: post #400

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

I work for a larger german retail chain and agentic shopping is already on the "near future vision". No one thinks this will be used but somehow shareholders love it.

Lol same story here, I work in payments and 0 people within the company (including the team working on it!) are convinced at all about the viability

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by lwansbrough »

intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

To me AGI has always meant sentience. And only since we’ve discovered that you can have something that is intelligent without it being apparently sentient that we’ve changed the definition to being, I suppose, more exactly aligned with the namesake.

A real AGI, like the ones from science fiction, would make Astra look like a child’s toy. And I guess more concretely I would expect it to inhibit the following properties: one shot learning - fully (and always) online, perfectly efficient (through self improvement), no context limitations ie. persistently thinking, not just awaiting input.

So for me, no, not AGI yet. But still very intelligent and capable (and perhaps it’s safer this way?)

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by GPerson »

manlymuppet wrote: post #400

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

I’m guessing the marketing must mean the AI-shops-for-you use case is a pretty big market, much bigger than AI-makes-life-easier.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by avaer »

Eliezer wrote: post #459
intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> even with Fable, I've been at the point personally where I am reasonably confident that there's essentially nothing that I am better than Fable at despite generally being substantively above average on human benchmarks If I asked you to write fiction, you'd be much better at keeping track of which characters knew which facts.

You could script this in with a time database, illustrations, and appropriate harness, tests, and editing passes. It's a massive problem with human authors too, which is why they do a lot of lorekeeping and editing, so the AI should be afforded the same tools if we are debating human level ability.

I agree on the one-shot (which is not a fair comparison because nobody oneshots a good story), but I'm not convinced this part hasn't reached AGI already.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Banditoz »

bakies wrote: post #454
pandinus wrote: post #184

Lol their page finally loaded. They added an example scenario of "Filling in Form 1040" - which made me laugh out loud. That is indeed something most US citizens cannot accurately do even with expensive proprietary tax software services. Kind of a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy meme but where the tax code is so complicated we're implementing powerful AIs to be able to do it (hopefully) right.

i tried to get claude to do my taxes for last year and it refused :( now that i'm a gpt subscriber maybe I'll have luck when i'm filing next year

Are your taxes complicated such that you feel the need to have an LLM do them for you?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by NothingAboutAny »

dingdong2026 wrote: post #480
intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

Only someone who doesn't do any work of any meaningful difficulty could think these models have anything to do with AGI. Today I spent half a day trying to solve a moderately interesting software engineering problem. I was switching between GPT-5.6 Sol and Fable 5.1 to check each other's work in Cursor. And the result was gradually driving me insane. As the models struggled to find a solution that would actually work…

yeah for me it's "I wanna add this new thing to an existing system" and the AI responds "we should just add some arbitrary state here to facilitate this feature". The real issue is the existing system needs to change entirely to facilitate, I know this, Good developers know this, The AI however knows the shitty solution would solve the immediate problem because it's been trained on shitty solutions. the problem could simply be the AI doesn't have all nebulous loose context I have about the goals of the project and future plans, but I would have to write a novel to give it that context.
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