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She started her activism spying on European progressive groups for the CIA.

You take it for granted that she is the representative of the women of the world. Thus any critique of this woman the establishment foisted on us is misogynistic. We do not all take this for granted though.

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"We badly need to raise our boys more like our girls" -- Gloria Steinem This is naive. Men's and women's brains do not process information in the same way: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-on-sex/202405/ai... Long story short; there is no similarity in how each gender's brains store and retrieve information

There was actually a "recent" series on the radio about this: https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2025/04/07/falling-behind-mised...

What does statistical analysis of society have to do with empirical neurological evidence of brain activity?

Replication crisis details ad nauseam how social psychology studies are only reproducible in 26-30% of cases. Almost all social sciences are worse than a coin toss. Including education.

What that says to me is social tropes as a basis for how we raise kids are massively out of alignment with how human biology relates to reality.

Women like Steinem argued against women being treated like concepts and objects by men (which I agree with).

But there is an irony in women using their biology's unique (relative to a mans) emotional and logical faculties to suggest they know best how men should behave.

If her actual point was we need to find the best means to support boys as we have with girls, sure. But "raise them like" does not readily communicate that nuance.

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Women's rights are human rights. We all win when that happens (except for those that exploit and abuse them).

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>Women's rights are entitlements and freedoms given to and exploited by women. They are decidedly not entitlements or freedoms given to or exploitable by men, and therefore humans in general. >They usually come at a substantial cost to men. The vote is one example.

But the right to vote is decidedly an entitlement or freedom given to and exploitable by men, and therefore humans in general.

As are other "women's rights" such as the right to own property, the right to equality in the workplace, the right to bodily autonomy (currently deprecated,) and the right to a divorce. Depending on the culture, the right to drive a car. The right to wear pants without being hauled off to an asylum for sexual deviance.

I'm not actually aware of any such rights exclusive to women. Even men can get maternity leave in most countries. And for the life of me I can't imagine the "considerable cost" that women being able to vote has had on men, much less why that should be considered a problem.

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"We badly need to raise our boys more like our girls" -- Gloria Steinem This is naive. Men's and women's brains do not process information in the same way: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-on-sex/202405/ai... Long story short; there is no similarity in how each gender's brains store and retrieve information

There is nothing in that study that says this is due to nurture instead of nature.

They trained a model to distinguish male study participants from female study participants based on resting fMRI data, which does not support your claim that they process information differently. Surprise, surprise, with an expressive enough model, this was possible with 90% accuracy. If they trained a model to distinguish employed people vs. unemployed people, I suspect they would have gotten a similar result because those two groups would be thinking about different things and thus consuming oxygen in different parts of their brains. Heck, the interaction between the gender of the MRI operator and the sexual preferences of the "healthy young" study participants would be enough to produce measurably different brain activity.

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"We badly need to raise our boys more like our girls" -- Gloria Steinem This is naive. Men's and women's brains do not process information in the same way: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-on-sex/202405/ai... Long story short; there is no similarity in how each gender's brains store and retrieve information

There is nothing in that study that says this is due to nurture instead of nature. They trained a model to distinguish male study participants from female study participants based on resting fMRI data, which does not support your claim that they process information differently. Surprise, surprise, with an expressive enough model, this was possible with 90% accuracy. If they trained a model to distinguish employed peo…

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She started her activism spying on European progressive groups for the CIA. You take it for granted that she is the representative of the women of the world. Thus any critique of this woman the establishment foisted on us is misogynistic. We do not all take this for granted though.

we all know how passionate the hackernews community have always been about the integrity of european progressive activist groups, it's practically all anyone talks about on here

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There was actually a "recent" series on the radio about this: https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2025/04/07/falling-behind-mised...

What does statistical analysis of society have to do with empirical neurological evidence of brain activity? Replication crisis details ad nauseam how social psychology studies are only reproducible in 26-30% of cases. Almost all social sciences are worse than a coin toss. Including education. What that says to me is social tropes as a basis for how we raise kids are massively out of alignment with how human biology…

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This is only half right. The capitalists loved feminism. Biggest expense of many businesses is labor. Double the labor pool, labor cost plummets, & profits skyrocket, so of course the capitalists at the CIA appreciated Steinem, and vice versa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem#CIA_ties_and_le... Would add that Alan Greenspan made a similar remark about his consulting firm. How he hired as many women as he…

Yes, and people understood it as it happened. There's a Swedish song, which sees it like this "daghemmets utbygnadstakt regleras av konjunkturen, så tillmäts kvinnan sin plats i den ekonomiska strukturen, en billig arbetskraftsreserv till hands när fabrikerna visslarn, tillbakapressad av daghemsbrist, om lönsamhetens drivhjul plötsligt gnisslar" "The extension of day care is controlled by the economic demand, so woma…

I don't have an opinion on pro/anti feminism. I have a big opinion on paid mass manipulators -- especially ones being paid with public funds. It is outrageous --- that they steal our money, then have the gall to propagandize us with it. That they had her operate out of Europe also illustrates how they managed to work around Smith-Mundt at the time.

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it really isn't - it's well-documented: https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/blog/feminist-was-spy "While popularly pilloried because of her paymaster, Steinem defended the CIA relationship, saying: “In my experience The Agency was completely different from its image; it was liberal, nonviolent and honorable.” Less cloak-and-dagger and more a young, energetic, global representative for American values and freedom" was part…

> “In my experience The Agency was completely different from its image; it was liberal, nonviolent and honorable.” "was" doing some heavy lifting. Nothing against Steinem specifically but seems pretty clear the elders tend to view their past with rose colored glasses Imo the federal apparatus should be broken up and handed to states with a mandate to collaborate to avoid concentration of power

> Imo the federal apparatus should be broken up and handed to states with a mandate to collaborate to avoid concentration of power

Is this generated by an LLM putting together random popular talking points without regard to whether they make sense together? What would it mean for the CIA to be handed to the states with a mandate to collaborate?

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>Women's rights are entitlements and freedoms given to and exploited by women. They are decidedly not entitlements or freedoms given to or exploitable by men, and therefore humans in general. >They usually come at a substantial cost to men. The vote is one example. But the right to vote is decidedly an entitlement or freedom given to and exploitable by men, and therefore humans in general. As are other "women's right…

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