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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by dlubarov »

10xDev wrote: post #462
intenex wrote: post #254

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

It will be AGI once it can update its own weights. It can't be "general" intelligence if its weights are frozen and requires to be updated manually.

Why shouldn't an AI with RAG qualify?

An AGI test should be black-box; we shouldn't impose require requirements on internal components. As long as the overall AI is capable of learning and remembering things, it shouldn't matter if there's a stateless LLM internally.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by XCSme »

flaviolivolsi wrote: post #489
XCSme wrote: post #343

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

I think the limit increasingly becomes what your imagination and taste can reach

True, but for many domains where my knowledge is limited, the LLMs beat me at imagination and taste too...

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by dakolli »

Why is everyone so excited to be replaced and become reliant on some billionaire's thinking machine? These are just going to be used to turn you into a rather dumb reliant paypig.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by XCSme »

soundworlds wrote: post #497
XCSme wrote: post #343

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

Don't worry, like with every revolutionary technology before this, it takes 5-10 years for people to find new and creative ways to use it. It will be considered its own medium in many spaces (e.g. film is now different to theatre)

But was there ever a technology that even the people working on it said it's making them feel depressed and scared?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by echoangle »

manlymuppet wrote: post #417

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

That’s exactly the problem I have with all this agent ideas too. Imagine you had a human concierge that is just waiting for your instructions and is as smart or a bit smarter than you. Would you just tell them “plan this holiday for me” or “order this food”? I don’t even trust my friends to get this right, why would I give this to someone else?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by dakolli »

karmasimida wrote: post #125
x312 wrote: post #98

Hmm, 61 on ArtificialAnalysis, effectively matching GPT-5.6 and trailing the new Meta model. How is that possible along with the other metrics they shared? Insanely jagged intelligence?

Idk, this means the benchmark has bigger problems ... no way Astra will be worse than Opus 5 Only thing I would trust is the what X/Twitter crowds are saying about a model after 2-3 weeks of its launch. But before that I would already tried the model and have my own conclusion.

must be something wrong with the benchmark, the thing everyone optimizes for. That's actually a big red flag, and very cringe that you'd naively believe OpenAI.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by XCSme »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #504
XCSme wrote: post #343

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

> Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds? I built a phone app recently, not released to the public, just an idea I had for ages but could never spend the time actually building. Its 100% vibe coded, and took me a few weekends to build... I'm talking a few hours in total. The point I'm making is that you now have the power to create stuff you would never have had the time to build. You can think…

Yes, that's cool and useful. Creating stuff for ourselves, for our own use. But we are social animals, we like sharing.

Before it was cool to share an app you made, but now? What's the point of sharing an app, if the other person can make their own, even better suited for their needs, in a few seconds?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by vatsachak »

dingdong2026 wrote: post #506
intenex wrote: post #254

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

Only someone who doesn't do any work of any meaningful difficulty could think these models have anything to do with AGI. Today I spent half a day trying to solve a moderately interesting software engineering problem. I was switching between GPT-5.6 Sol and Fable 5.1 to check each other's work in Cursor. And the result was gradually driving me insane. As the models struggled to find a solution that would actually work…

What was the problem?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by sensanaty »

intenex wrote: post #254

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

AGI is a meaningless term that can mean nothing and everything at the same time. It can be used by AI bros to hype their latest releases which are always one step away from achieving AGI, or it can be used by anti-AI people to say it's not AGI because of X arbitrary thing they decided on in the moment. It's a term of pure convenience meant to obfuscate other more pressing discussions on the topic.

Most telling is M$ or whichever one of these borg megacorpos defined AGI as (paraphrased) "AGI is whatever tooling earns us a gazillion dollars in revenue"

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