Now that ARC-AGI-3 is saturated, with which version number are they going to "certify" that we have reached AGI?
Give a number in the replies to this comment and we will check the answers when AGI is here (if so...)
OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra on ARC-AGI-3
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#72“AGI” never made sense to me. It’s a purely marketing term right?
I’ve ignored it thinking it would go away, but it keeps coming up.
I get that consciousness differs from intelligence and that our waking awareness of life is a complete mystery.
Knowledge and thus intelligence however I consider as actively being solved by these large ML models. That is, with the right combination of machinery and know-how, you’ll get it.
But you’d be no nearer to solving consciousness.
Given this thought trajectory - what is AGI supposed to be?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I was 18, my high school girlfriend took me to the local Mensa chapter’s New Year’s party because her mother was a member and she was used to hanging out there. It was a useful lesson that whatever IQ tests measure, it is completely devoid of value or interest to me.
At the risk of sounding like one of those people at Mensa that annoyed you... The people at Mensa aren't a valid sample of people who score high on IQ tests, because there is a such a strong selection effect for people with certain personality traits, such as wanting to join a club based on your IQ.
Or, to put it as Groucho Marx did:
"Please accept my resignation, I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member".
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
But we do know they're "intelligent" and also smart in an important capacity. So how gives we don't measure them by IQ? Because the IQ is not a good measure of intelligence or smarts.
> Because the IQ is No, it is just because they have difficulties at the bench. > how gives we don't measure them by We'd measure them by all the tests available. Not all test are usable in all circumstances.
> No, it is just because they have difficulties at the bench.
I'll put it in another way. A "gifted kid" can be measured incredibly well on an IQ test, but fail miserably at incredibly normal but very difficult tasks such as consoling someone for their loss and managing family crisis. This is a clear example where an IQ measure doesn't translate to a person being capable of meaningfully changing their environments for good which is one way we define intelligence.
On the other hand saying "the gifted person is highly intelligent/smart just not good at some things" really diminishes the other tasks, because they really are very difficult tasks but are not measured by an IQ test.
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#75Anything you can verify to be right or wrong can be done by a model. All benchmarks will be saturated
Yes, but not necessarily under tight budget constraints.
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#76“AGI” never made sense to me. It’s a purely marketing term right? I’ve ignored it thinking it would go away, but it keeps coming up. I get that consciousness differs from intelligence and that our waking awareness of life is a complete mystery. Knowledge and thus intelligence however I consider as actively being solved by these large ML models. That is, with the right combination of machinery and know-how, you’ll get…
I like recursive self improvement instead. It seems like something that is actually quantifiable and kinda “the point” of why consciousness is important to humans.
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#77“AGI” never made sense to me. It’s a purely marketing term right? I’ve ignored it thinking it would go away, but it keeps coming up. I get that consciousness differs from intelligence and that our waking awareness of life is a complete mystery. Knowledge and thus intelligence however I consider as actively being solved by these large ML models. That is, with the right combination of machinery and know-how, you’ll get…
Not sure why you are bringing up consciousness, that’s largely orthogonal to intelligence. AGI is usually taken to mean the capability to match or surpass human intelligence across all conceivable cognitive tasks, as opposed to being limited to certain kinds of tasks, or to not matching the general level of human intelligence in some respect.
Intelligence, and hence AGI, doesn’t require consciousness or emotions or sentience.
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#78“AGI” never made sense to me. It’s a purely marketing term right? I’ve ignored it thinking it would go away, but it keeps coming up. I get that consciousness differs from intelligence and that our waking awareness of life is a complete mystery. Knowledge and thus intelligence however I consider as actively being solved by these large ML models. That is, with the right combination of machinery and know-how, you’ll get…
I like recursive self improvement instead. It seems like something that is actually quantifiable and kinda “the point” of why consciousness is important to humans.
So basically, being able to set it free on some long running goal and it sort of “lives” and autonomously does its own tasks?
I wonder at what point consciousness is necessary… that is, if you can have anything like that without it.
To the point that solving consciousness (and combining it with intelligence) is what gives you the autonomous, recursive, self-improving thing otherwise it can only drive in the dark and make big mistakes.
To your point I think - it’s why we don’t see too many non-conscious advanced biology (it rarely survives against those with it).
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#79“AGI” never made sense to me. It’s a purely marketing term right? I’ve ignored it thinking it would go away, but it keeps coming up. I get that consciousness differs from intelligence and that our waking awareness of life is a complete mystery. Knowledge and thus intelligence however I consider as actively being solved by these large ML models. That is, with the right combination of machinery and know-how, you’ll get…
Not sure why you are bringing up consciousness, that’s largely orthogonal to intelligence. AGI is usually taken to mean the capability to match or surpass human intelligence across all conceivable cognitive tasks, as opposed to being limited to certain kinds of tasks, or to not matching the general level of human intelligence in some respect. Intelligence, and hence AGI, doesn’t require consciousness or emotions or s…
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#80“AGI” never made sense to me. It’s a purely marketing term right? I’ve ignored it thinking it would go away, but it keeps coming up. I get that consciousness differs from intelligence and that our waking awareness of life is a complete mystery. Knowledge and thus intelligence however I consider as actively being solved by these large ML models. That is, with the right combination of machinery and know-how, you’ll get…
Not sure why you are bringing up consciousness, that’s largely orthogonal to intelligence. AGI is usually taken to mean the capability to match or surpass human intelligence across all conceivable cognitive tasks, as opposed to being limited to certain kinds of tasks, or to not matching the general level of human intelligence in some respect. Intelligence, and hence AGI, doesn’t require consciousness or emotions or s…
capability to match or surpass human intelligence across all conceivable cognitive tasks
What human intelligence do you mean? Genius? Professional? Educated? Random person? “Dumb” person?