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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by ghosty141 »

zachthewf wrote: post #418
dalemhurley wrote: post #284

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

I’ve found Sol performance to be incredibly spiky. It has tremendous IQ and can fix very difficult bugs. But it is horrible at design (both visual and system design), anything that involves thinking about users or UX, and massively overcomplicates almost all work.

I noticed the same. I wanted a simple crud webapp and suggested an insane techstack involving C#, Razor Pages, MSSQL and more. I went with my planned setup of python flask with an sqlite db which served me well for years.

It's still incredibly important to have a human in the loop correcting design decisions and having good taste.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Chinjut »

MattDamonSpace wrote: post #468
Chinjut wrote: post #319

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

“As we were told to do” girl you gotta be responsible for yourself

Should I go back in time and know the future?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by soundworlds »

XCSme wrote: post #335

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

Don't worry, like with every revolutionary technology before this, it takes 5-10 years for people to find new and creative ways to use it. It will be considered its own medium in many spaces (e.g. film is now different to theatre)

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Implicated »

dalemhurley wrote: post #284

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

> Sol is so much better than Fable 5.

... looks around ...

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by zamadatix »

MrAbstract wrote: post #381
Chinjut wrote: post #319

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

I have exactly the same thoughts - or perhaps slightly bleaker ones - evry time I read this relentless stream of news about new model releases. I’m tired of all the enthusiastic comments about how excited everyone is about the latest benchmark results and so on. I have a strong suspicion that many of those comments are written by people who are already financially independent, have millions in stocks, and can just si…

It's natural to worry about one's own future but I think it's a bit wild to worry just _your_ job that would be replaced. Not just for those with phone center jobs or art jobs or programming jobs - remember, the whole premise was AI overtakes humans, why would that slow down after _your_ job?

Because of this, I don't think many are thinking "90% of the world won't have a source of livelihood but that just means I chill at my lake house for the next 20 years like a normal retirement". Instead, it's usually either "I think AI is overhyped", "I think humanity will figure something out", or "I think this is the end of humanity".

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by dist-epoch »

uludag wrote: post #302
intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

Wouldn't "general intelligence" require so much more than scoring well (or even amazingly) on benchmarks? Like what about having some "AGI model" embodied in something (maybe humanoid), and test it by having it step in an assortment of cars and park them. Does bodily-kinesthetic intelligence account for nothing? Humans are intelligent creatures and can dynamically adapt to the physical shape of a variety of vehicles…

AGI has a pretty precise definition, covering only cognitive tasks.

Running a marathon is not needed to claim AGI.

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Post by Flere-Imsaho »

XCSme wrote: post #335

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

> Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

I built a phone app recently, not released to the public, just an idea I had for ages but could never spend the time actually building. Its 100% vibe coded, and took me a few weekends to build... I'm talking a few hours in total.

The point I'm making is that you now have the power to create stuff you would never have had the time to build. You can think big, wild stuff. Experimentation. Throw-away code.

What a time to be alive!

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by selectodude »

jimmaswell wrote: post #128
tosh wrote: post #10

$10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens sol is $4 / $20

It seems to use less than half the tokens for the same task compared to sol, and in some benchmarks closer to 2/3 less tokens. So the actual cost may be roughly the same or cheaper overall.

neuralese is pretty token efficient i guess.

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Post by dingdong2026 »

intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

Only someone who doesn't do any work of any meaningful difficulty could think these models have anything to do with AGI.

Today I spent half a day trying to solve a moderately interesting software engineering problem. I was switching between GPT-5.6 Sol and Fable 5.1 to check each other's work in Cursor.

And the result was gradually driving me insane. As the models struggled to find a solution that would actually work, they dug themselves deeper into a hole. The work grew in complexity beyond my ability to understand what's happening and recover.

At some point, when I felt like throwing the keyboard out the window, I just gave up. Tomorrow I'm starting from scratch, having burned god knows how many tokens and hours of my life.

But sure, they can create a decent website or CRUD app, so they must be really smart.

That's AGI for you.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by HSO »

people are going to be so surprised how fast the ai energy leaves the room again once the cash transfers are completed (the `ipos` whatever bla)

the coffee will be as cold, flat and stale as the bitcoin, metaverse, and what was the thing before that thing

agi deus ex machina descending from the icloud ftw!!!

pathetic :)))

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