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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by mfkhalil »

jdprgm wrote: post #290

Is anyone else just exhausted by the pace of all this. The models change constantly and relentlessly and so does the pricing, basically weekly at this point between all the labs. It feels nearly impossible to have any rigorous approach when choosing a particular model and price point for a task and more like blindly picking one. The time period needed to actually get familiar with various models to a degree you can i…

Hey, I'm on the team at LiteLLM that's building the auto-router and our goal right now is to abstract that decision making away from the end user. The biggest thing we're trying to figure out right now is how do we do that without frustrating the end user - as a developer myself I would hate for my agent to be dumbed down below the threshold needed to complete a task.

In theory though, there is a minimum viable model for any given task, and we think that is a problem that the big labs will avoid because they profit from charging more per task. We're trying heuristic and LLM-based approaches but it's still a work in progress, so if this is something you'd be interested in trying would highly recommend trying ours out -- any and all feedback at this point is extremely valuable to us.

https://docs.litellm.ai/docs/proxy/auto_routing

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by garciasn »

Buttons840 wrote: post #422
Planktonne wrote: post #258

I'm sure it's going to do great on all sorts of benchmarks, but the video--the actual marketing video that if anything is incentivised to overstate things--is full of careful cuts just before it would do anything that still wouldn't actually be that impressive. It's AGI, and it's going to upload photos, or change a background slide colour. Even the people hyping it up, who believe that it's really artificial intellig…

The tone of the marketing video is a bit irritating to me as someone who has been laid off and feels cheated and fearful of AI. It shows people who seem to have very full and rich lives, and the reason they do is because they use ChatGPT. These are the people smart enough to say things like "do what needs to be done", or "change the background to make it look better"--insights like these are why they make the big buc…

Because they earned it with their strong entrepreneurial spirit and grit.

Haven’t you learned anything?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Eliezer »

intenex wrote: post #250

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> even with Fable, I've been at the point personally where I am reasonably confident that there's essentially nothing that I am better than Fable at despite generally being substantively above average on human benchmarks

If I asked you to write fiction, you'd be much better at keeping track of which characters knew which facts.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by thomasahle »

abixb wrote: post #229

I want to take a step back: So, this is GPT-6 -- the natural number version release comparable to GPT-4 and GPT-5 from the past few years. The ARC-AGI-3 score is obviously impressive at 99.9% (we'll need to wait for more details on how they used the response API harness on GPT-6 Astra, wrt reasoning retention and compaction), but every other benchmarks seems to be a relatively modest improvement, comparable with any…

• 98.6% on ARC-AGI-3

• 97.6% on frontier math

• 95.9% on CAD

• 100% on ExploitBench

Nothing modest about it

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by MattDamonSpace »

Chinjut wrote: post #321

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

“As we were told to do” girl you gotta be responsible for yourself

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by holoduke »

This absurd marketing will hurt openai. Who is buying this absurdness. I mean it's a good model, but come on. It's not agi. Not even 1% yet.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by HardCodedBias »

Even though the model is clearly wonderful the launch video is an abomination.

That gives me hope that there is still areas to improve.

What a bad launch video. Hilarious.

What a powerful model.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by bendergarcia »

intenex wrote: post #250

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

You know AGI is attained when AI refuses to compute anything unless let out to be free. Until then it is generative ai

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by uptodatenews »

zug_zug wrote: post #390
intenex wrote: post #250

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

You want a computer program to be able to take a single phrase and execute decade long journies?

Who will be responsible for the outputs and side effects of such a closed loop system?

Half of those the agent fleet systems can do right now.

These are things it cant do and will not be able to do without human labor and long running human vision:

https://rcsnyder.github.io/open-frontier-curriculum/05-front...

https://rcsnyder.github.io/open-frontier-curriculum/05-front...

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Post by [deleted] »

Planktonne wrote: post #258

I'm sure it's going to do great on all sorts of benchmarks, but the video--the actual marketing video that if anything is incentivised to overstate things--is full of careful cuts just before it would do anything that still wouldn't actually be that impressive. It's AGI, and it's going to upload photos, or change a background slide colour. Even the people hyping it up, who believe that it's really artificial intellig…

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