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Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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I'm no lawyer, but I can't see how the judge is able to square this with a plain reading of the law. Here is the Virginia code on contributing to the delinquency of a minor: https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter5/secti... The only portion that is even remotely relevant is: > (b) renders a child delinquent, in need of services, in need of supervision, or abused or neglected as defined in § 16.1-228; Ho…

They will simply call it grossly negligent, triggering the exception.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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It blows my mind that a bunch of adults, prosecutors, CPS employees, etc all decided the fair, reasonable and best thing to do was prosecute and punish this mother.

Prosecuting people is their job. If you don't do your job you get fired.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an international reader I'm missing some context here. Isn't a gated community supposed to be singularly safe? With private guards (like the guy who took the kid to his mom) patrolling and no strangers allowed in etc? Why did the guard tell the kid that "bad people" might take him? Where would those bad people come from? It really all does sound very weird.

Gated communities, by their nature, attract and encourage the sort of busybodies who think that everyone needs to be protected from everything.

More like the busybodies who have never experienced an adverse event in their life and are utterly ignorant of recent history and think some news coverage means the entire country is in terrifying threat of pedophiles grabbing kids off the street.

These were the same people who insisted in the 90s that we teach every kid about stranger danger while the actual causes of that kind of stuff, which has always been overwhelmingly someone known to the family, is ignored.

The same people who insisted you were going to be constantly bombarded with offers of free drugs which had of course been spiked to kill you, or that your halloween candy would definitely be poison because one time a weird uncle harmed their family that way, or that "Rainbow Parties" are a real thing that anyone should have ever cared about.

These people are insanely credulous, and live in perpetual fear of whatever Nancy Grace insists is coming to kill them tomorrow.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is extremely car focused, which they often don't really realize. Things that are normal here (like everybody has a bike) conflicts with their cyclers vs drivers culture. Such a distinction simply does not exist here. Instead we have roads that are red with signs "Cars are guests". Or indeed city centers where cars aren't allowed. When I go to the US I'm often surprised that you can't get to things that are onl…

On holiday in the Florida we walked to the gated entrance to the community to ask whether delivery drivers got access or we needed to pick it up at the gate. The way they looked at us, you would think we had two heads for arriving on foot.

In Florida gated communities, the standard transportation method is individual overpriced golf karts.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stranger kidnappings are basically unheard of. It's never been a safer time for kids in terms of crime like that.

Genuinely curious…is it rare because there are less kidnappers, or because parents are more vigilant and there is less opportunity for them to commit the crime?

It's rare because almost all kidnappings and other harmful things done to children are done by people who aren't strangers:

Aunts and uncles, parents, coaches, family friends, community leaders, religious leaders, day care employees, etc

They never seem to even acknowledge that, let alone care about fixing it.

This was known from the statistics even before these people insisted every school teach children about "Stranger danger" because these specific people are utterly incapable of overriding primal fear, fed by "news" they insist on watching, with factual reality.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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Here in Switzerland children start walking to school at around 5-years. Parents aren't allowed to bring them to school. If a parent escorts their children to school they'll be told not to. If they keep doing it they'll get a letter from the school and probably a police visit. And if they continue (I never heard of it getting to this stage) they may be fined. It's funny in the morning. One child walks to another child…

Unfortunatly some countries are not safe...

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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How does this happen? There’s no silver lining which makes this conviction reasonable. If they can’t appeal, I hope they use Streisand to get the town or state of Virginia to vacate everything.

They charged her criminally instead of civilly, because in 2023 VA passed a 'free-range parenting' amendment to allow for actions that appropriate for the child's maturity and are not done in a grossly negligent manner that endangers the child. This is likely why the defense asked for comments from others on the child's maturity. The criminal definition apparently has no such modification. E: removed a double ‘likely…

>They charged her criminally instead of civilly,

Joke's on them because now she has rights.

I'm being a little hyperbolic but not nearly as much as I wish I was. The .gov can make just about anything stick if it's civil. Criminal is where your rights really kick in.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because even beyond this area being safe, your claim that "There is likely too much crime in urban areas for children to walk freely" is wrong.

I would argue it depends on where. Most of the rural areas are likely too loosely populated to commit any serious crimes, especially against children. And it is a large part of the United States. However, looking at say, Downtown Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, the amount of crime does seem to increase overall. This is partially due to density, and also poverty. Saint Louis, a good chunk of Louisiana, parts of the So…

> Also I said Sometimes the Adults are scared due to truths, and exaggerations.

The "adult scared due to exaggerations" in this situation is you.

Re: Mom gets 6-month suspended sentence for letting 5-year-old walk to the pond

#240
post #122

This is insanity, I thought "gated communities" were sold on safety - the child should absolutely be safe there.

The problem with gated communities is the kind of people who are attracted to them.

It's literally a parallel world.

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