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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by IanCal »

glenstein wrote: post #266
petilon wrote: post #148

This is wild: OpenAI is basically declaring that AGI is here. https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/989601/o... “If we fast-forward a couple of years, and we look back and say, ‘When was it, really, that AGI was created?’ I think it’s going to be about this time, and I think it might be about this model,” OpenAI president Greg Brockman said during a Thursday press briefing. Later in the call, he added,…

I almost feel like I need just as much healthy skepticism toward hn comments that have the automatic reflex of dismissing performance gains, as much as I need a similar form of skepticism toward AI claims. It feels like (from what I'm understanding) the harnessed result on ARC-AGI-3 is not exactly playing by the normal rules that would tell us how much of a leap this really is. Nothing wrong with harnesses, but if th…

If I’m understanding other comments the harness is just how ChatGPT and codex work already and it’s to do with how the context gets compacted - the arc-agi harness some are claiming just throws out reasoning blocks? Which feels like a huge handicap.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by useruser125524 »

wilg wrote: post #367
Planktonne wrote: post #283

I'm sure it's going to do great on all sorts of benchmarks, but the video--the actual marketing video that if anything is incentivised to overstate things--is full of careful cuts just before it would do anything that still wouldn't actually be that impressive. It's AGI, and it's going to upload photos, or change a background slide colour. Even the people hyping it up, who believe that it's really artificial intellig…

are we really having to explain to you from first principles in 2026 what things AI can do?

Please do.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by vanuatu »

Chinjut wrote: post #356

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

large parts of ai research likely to be automated first

most swes don't work in jobs where they only work on bounded measurable tasks. there will probably be more "engineers" than ever

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Kiro »

herpdyderp wrote: post #253

The FrontierCode 1.1 Extended benchmark is the only benchmark that aligns with my actual LLM experiences and Astra isn't significantly better or cheaper. All this celebration, and yet it's only on-par with an already existing model? I don't get it.

Impressive confidence drawing such a conclusion based on that.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by tempestn »

zug_zug wrote: post #431
intenex wrote: post #274

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

I would bet that llms have talked plenty of people both into and out of suicide at this point. That nitpick aside, I think that's an excellent list. Especially being able to articulate what it does and doesn't know, or how confident it is. That's something that naively sounds pretty simple, but clearly isn't. And it's something humans aren't great at either (see: Dunning-Kruger), but so far LLMs don't even really have the capability to attempt it.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by rfgplk »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #393
hypfer wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "AGI" or "effective AGI" even mean, and why should anyone even care whether this unclear thing has been "reached" or not? Computer chips got faster, but 2026 edition. Why the artificial ceiling/category/goal labelled "AGI"? I'd much rather like to talk about what this enables, instead of discussing whether a category someone made up applies here or not.

According to Sam Altman: > AGI is essentially the equivalent of a median human that could be hired as a remote co-worker... capable of performing any task that one would be satisfied with a remote colleague doing via a computer. So... unless you hear of a company replacing their workforce with OpenAI agents, I don't think we're there yet.

> So... unless you hear of a company replacing their workforce with OpenAI agents, I don't think we're there yet.

You can already pretty much do this.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by throwaway13337 »

That hero video is interesting.

A projector and speech.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I find speech to text / text to speech (but not live audio mode) is quite comfortable and effective for coding now.

The speech to text part can be frustrating if your local tts model does not have word match context for coding. Codex desktop does this remotely well but is slow. I've been experimenting with local software for myself to do this between different llms.

The wall projector is a cool idea because I think it frees the user from staring at a lonely little rectangle while sitting in their fixed office chair.

If done right, this could bring us closer to the dream of more natural, social computing.

Bret Victor's (failed?) project Dynamicland involving a projector on a desk had this goal. I hear he's not much a fan of LLMs. On the one hand, I can see why. But I think, used correctly, it might be the sort of thing that unlocks his dream and, really, my dream, too.

A here's a presentation of Bret's talk on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wa3nm0qcfM

Slight tangent: using speech to text to ramble about your rough design for like 20 minutes to an llm produces surprisingly good results over short prompts even when you contradict yourself. They're so good at picking up on what you're orbiting.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by GPerson »

ckdot wrote: post #418
Chinjut wrote: post #356

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

You can calm down, even those with machine learning knowledge and most of those working for the AI labs won’t be needed anymore if models are capable to improve themselves. In the end, having a machine replacing the work of a human is a good thing - in most of the cases we don’t work because of the work but to make a living. If too many people can’t make a living anymore the system is going to change. For the better…

I believe what happens in the aftermath of a capitalist-driven revolution is most people who were climbing the class hierarchy fall back down again and wealth inequality increases. Maybe things will improve in the future, but GP is rationally contending with the fact that most of us will lose out because of this and if we’re lucky our grandchildren will have easier lives in certain ways, but different lives than we would live.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by bayindirh »

pavitheran wrote: post #486
zug_zug wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

By this definition, even most humans would not qualify as having AGI though.

However most humans can do at least some of the things given they spend the required effort.

Some problems presented needs a very large context and some are not much solvable (e.g. trading) since market responds to traders' actions, as well, making it effectively an oracle problem (of computation).

On the other hand, we must be aware that these models are static, and they indeed stop when nobody asks something or requests an action from them. However, brains in nature never stops. Wonder, daydream, sleep, self-evolve, clean up and eliminate memories and views and much more.

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