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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by roosterIllusi0n »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #137
icantevenhold wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should break these companies apart - they should not have that level of power.

Centralization of power at all levels is bad. I therefore agree in spirit. But who is the 'we' in that 'we'? If you defer to a politician, you simply centralize more power into a body of government constrained by only cultural norms and donor interests. Making a change requires the shifting of the overtone window of acceptability. At that point, it executes on it own regardless of mechanism. The cultural norms are th…

That is ridiculous. These big tech companies are supposed to be broken up under the current rules. Effective government is not big government, it is right sized.

Rich people and fascists don't want a smaller government, they want a government too weak to protect you from them.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

alpineman wrote: post #80

This shouldn't be allowed. EU regulatory avengers...assemble

The EU Commission is currently rushing ahead with their anti-privacy age verification plans that require Google/Apple account to function. They aren't going to save anyone from this.

I also wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Commission is trying to get Google to be more proactive at banning accounts and preventing individuals from being able to create new ones. That's what the States were demanding in the recent court case against Meta.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by roosterIllusi0n »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #134
subscribed wrote: post #130

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> Google and Apple should be legally mandated to federate with nation state identity systems. With which states? I'm I'm a citizen of two and live in the third, potentially having eSIM of the fourth?

The same states and countries they integrate with today for digital identity verification. If you have a passport, national ID card, or US state ID or driver's license, you have a government provided digital identity that can bound to and authenticated against. I'm probably missing a government credential in scope, but the backend database lookup is trivial. The US Login.gov idp is about to roll out identity attestat…

Why does google and apple need a government login? This makes no sense. You do not want private billionaire companies coming anywhere near a government login. If they get to use it, they will lobby to make it less secure to support more datamining.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by megagpt1 »

exe34 wrote: post #121
nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

It's actually why I will never use any of Google's paid services like compute or LLMs or storage. I will not risk my access to important services. "Free" Gmail and search is all I will use.

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by megagpt1 »

logicchains wrote: post #110
lenerdenator wrote: post #55

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Who gets the money shouldn't be your focus, it's that there's even talk of anyone building such a system at all that should be the focus. Europe has a long history of government abuses of human rights. There's absolutely no guarantee that such a system being designed and implemented by people in Europe as opposed to the US is a safeguard against any sort of human rights issues.

What do you mean, you don't think a party named the "Alternative for Deutschland" would make benevolent use of such systems when it gets into power?

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by lenerdenator »

logicchains wrote: post #110
lenerdenator wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who gets the money shouldn't be your focus, it's that there's even talk of anyone building such a system at all that should be the focus. Europe has a long history of government abuses of human rights. There's absolutely no guarantee that such a system being designed and implemented by people in Europe as opposed to the US is a safeguard against any sort of human rights issues.

What do you mean, you don't think a party named the "Alternative for Deutschland" would make benevolent use of such systems when it gets into power?

Ah, yes, AfD. Where you can walk into a meeting, and cut off a guy's speech about five minutes in with this line [0]

Seriously though, I'm surprised that there's not a lot more mass resistance to the idea. It's a massive surveillance apparatus. Meanwhile, Flock cameras are getting cut down, shot at, spray painted, or stolen with regularity in the US.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3AegXcu7kA

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by throwaway13337 »

roosterIllusi0n wrote: post #171
throwaway13337 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Centralization of power at all levels is bad. I therefore agree in spirit. But who is the 'we' in that 'we'? If you defer to a politician, you simply centralize more power into a body of government constrained by only cultural norms and donor interests. Making a change requires the shifting of the overtone window of acceptability. At that point, it executes on it own regardless of mechanism. The cultural norms are th…

That is ridiculous. These big tech companies are supposed to be broken up under the current rules. Effective government is not big government, it is right sized. Rich people and fascists don't want a smaller government, they want a government too weak to protect you from them.

I agree with you. They are in violation of a reasonable interpretation of anti-trust laws already on the books. It's quite clear. And yet those laws are not enforced.

You seem to be saying that there are a group of people who want it this way and they have more power so that is why is it the case.

But how did we get here? It's a complicated question for sure. And for anything that occurred like this, there are many answers depending on where you put the weights.

I put the weights cultural norms of the maybe 100s of thousands of people that had a hand in how we got here in varying degrees. The leaders of the companies of course who didn't get flack in their communities for doing something that was negative to the rest of society. The politicians who played along, the employees who were proud to work at such a place and the family that could be proud of them for it, even us users who sacrificed liberty for safety and convenience.

At every level, it's social norms that caused this to be.

We are, primarily, social creatures. Even the rich - maybe especially the rich - are greatly influenced in how they act by what those they respect think of it.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by ThatPlayer »

mcepl wrote: post #96
anon84873628 wrote: post #45

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No, because you called the service from their client.

Yes, that's exactly what T3Code does. https://x.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2095453990980817301

I think the problem with his ask in that initial picture is mentioning Pi, which doesn't do headless CLI, but does do the OAuth that the TOS specifically mentions.

It doesn't seem like T3 Code ever implemented antigravity at the time of the post. Now they've added it via ACP: https://github.com/pingdotgg/t3code/pull/9348

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by root_axis »

icantevenhold wrote: post #136
throwaway13337 wrote: post #105

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Maybe we should reframe how we see the big gate keepers like Google and Apple as they seem to be a new concept. They are not governments but have properties of them. Governments are defined as having a monopoly on violence. And we, through a lot of struggles, were able to attenuate this power such that this power was not granted to a single person alone but both distributed to the judgement of many and codified so th…

We should break these companies apart - they should not have that level of power.

A politically impossible outcome that isn't worth hanging our hopes on.

A more realistic approach is legislation that either forbids providers from suspending or otherwise limiting access to any government integrated system or simply forbidding these types of integrations altogether.

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