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K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#61
My quick review of the 3.7B model (because I was interested) is that it's not to be trusted for coding.

It failed my basic test I like to ask models and generated incorrect code. When prompted about the bug, it preceded to start hallucinating non-existent APIs. After doing that it got caught in a loop trying to desk check the solution that didn't work.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

Or, we just need to get this over with and declare any digital data findable via the internet to just be public property of everyone. Everything becomes public, besides stuff you keep locally, and there is no difference anymore, it's all just data anyone can use for whatever. A 1 year grace period for everyone to pull stuff off they don't want to be a part of this bright new open era, then we just scrap everything re…

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Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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I'm glad to see some development in the space of "truly open" models that share training data and other recipes. As the costs for hardware fall over time (hopefully), we should see more possibility in fine-tuning and developing software to inspect the source training material.

Some other open models I'm aware of:

   - OLMo
   - Apertus
   - Soofi
   - OpenEuroLLM
   - llm-jp
OLMo is perhaps the most famous, and their Dolma training corpus has been reused in other projects. It looks like the K2 training materials haven't been released yet, but I'm interested to see what they did for training "long-horizon agentic tasks". I'm aware of SWE-smith + SWE-gym but I'm guessing there's a lot more out there now.

I'm no expert, which is part of why these projects excite me. I'm hoping they can be good projects to learn from as well.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

Or, we just need to get this over with and declare any digital data findable via the internet to just be public property of everyone. Everything becomes public, besides stuff you keep locally, and there is no difference anymore, it's all just data anyone can use for whatever. A 1 year grace period for everyone to pull stuff off they don't want to be a part of this bright new open era, then we just scrap everything re…

I'd prefer to stay within the [hacker ethics](https://www.ccc.de/en/hackerethics), and protect private data. For non-private/personal data, sure. But individual people need their privacy protected.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#65

A bit off topic, but I think I'm starting to get model fatigue. These come out 10x faster than new Javascript frameworks were coming out 10 years ago (at least new models are far easier to adopt).

There was a time when every new PC CPU coming out was a giant deal: "Guys have you heard about this new Pentium processor, it's incredible?" But over time, more and more people got into the chip-making business, and the big players started releasing more and more chips. Now only the die-hard CPU trackers worry about every new CPU and exactly how it's better ... while everyone else just worries about "which CPU will b…

Same for smartphones. There was a time of unlimited hype and secrery around new iphones. Who remembers the story of an iphone 5 prototype left a bar. Journalists were going crazy, people were signing petitions for Apple to not hunt down but instead forgive the employee that made such a grave mistake. People were offering millions to buy the prototype so they can brag they got the new phone 2 weeks before everyone else did.

Or who remembers the dancing disease of 1518, were people would stop what they are doing and start randomly doing the same dance. The lords? Out of their minds. The priests? Terrified the devil had taken hold of the flock! I have come to believe that it was probably some tik-tok like hype trend of doing a fortnite dance while waiting in line for bread and communion. And the energy back then, like now, was off the charts.

Hype and memetic trend seeking encoded deep in human psyche.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

Or, we just need to get this over with and declare any digital data findable via the internet to just be public property of everyone. Everything becomes public, besides stuff you keep locally, and there is no difference anymore, it's all just data anyone can use for whatever. A 1 year grace period for everyone to pull stuff off they don't want to be a part of this bright new open era, then we just scrap everything re…

I respectful disagree. I enjoy reading e.g. Asimov and well-executed journalism. And I completely respect the IP of those people who create these works.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#67

My quick review of the 3.7B model (because I was interested) is that it's not to be trusted for coding. It failed my basic test I like to ask models and generated incorrect code. When prompted about the bug, it preceded to start hallucinating non-existent APIs. After doing that it got caught in a loop trying to desk check the solution that didn't work.

I'd you have some tips for coming up with such tests, I would love to hear them. My Gmail username is the same as my HN username. Thank you!

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#68

My quick review of the 3.7B model (because I was interested) is that it's not to be trusted for coding. It failed my basic test I like to ask models and generated incorrect code. When prompted about the bug, it preceded to start hallucinating non-existent APIs. After doing that it got caught in a loop trying to desk check the solution that didn't work.

I'd you have some tips for coming up with such tests, I would love to hear them. My Gmail username is the same as my HN username. Thank you!

It's actually just a coding interview test that I liked to ask in the past. You can find it and others on leetcode.

The reason I personally like my question is because it's pretty close to some of the real world work we do. It's mostly mundane and easy to bang out, but really easy for someone to do a n log n solution where an n solution exists.

A good example (but not my question) would be something like

"I have a list of People objects with a `first` and `last` name. Write a function which groups together all the People with the same last name in `your language of choice`"

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#69

I find it funny that while these releases are a technological miracle, the charts in the doc use tiny fonts and are hard to read. Goes with the idea that coding might be solved, but taste isn't.

Accessibility isn't "solved," but there are certainly standards for things like color contrast. Maybe inbetween taste and coding there are better targets still being missed.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Fully open models really need to be a big part of the AI future. That includes all source code, open training data, how it's organized, fed to the model, processed, etc. Until that becomes a thing you're always going to be left wondering what exactly lies underneath the closed model you are using, leaving open the possibility for societal manipulation.

Why? Sure, I’d prefer it, too, but this is just another GNU/Linux vs. macOS situation: most of us would prefer the first, but actually get shit done on the latter.

Why do you make the worse choice and not use what you would prefer to use? You have been able to "get shit done" on Linux for nearly 30 years. Have the courage of your convictions.
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