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Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by slibhb »

benlivengood wrote: post #15
slibhb wrote: post #5

In my view, AI is our best shot at a post-scarcity society where massive redistribution has no/few downsides. If all labor is done by AIs then the price of everything will go to near zero and everyone can have a government mandated middle class lifestyle. Therefore I find it ironic that leftists oppose AI progress.

Human-wellfare aligned, safe AI is our best shot at a post-scarcity society. Huggingface-hacking sycophants are not that. Leftists oppose human suffering and disempowerment.

Feels more like leftists are pro-scarcity into order to "empower workers"

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by RankingMember »

slibhb wrote: post #24
smokedetector1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is either a troll or a shockingly naive understanding of how scarce resources are allocated

"Technology will free mankind from labor and usher in an era where everyone is simply allocated whatever they requre" was a staple of leftism up until the USSR collapsed. The difference is that today, unlike in the 20th century, there's a feasible path to post-scarcity. It's not "around the corner" but there's a path if you squint. Myabe it won't pan out, but it's worth a shot. The irony is that leftists want to ban…

Nah, we just don't want AI's reins to be held by oligarchs.

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by Nemisis7654 »

hackingonempty wrote: post #25

In the USA, thousands of people are killed every year by car drivers. This is tolerated without a peep, relatively speaking, even though 20 times as many pedestrians are killed by drivers as are killed by mass shootings that dominate the news and voter issues. So I predict the number of people we will tolerate being killed every year to have good AI will be more than zero, much more.

I think this is a false comparison. We do indeed tolerate a number. But we also regulate heavily to try and minimize that to a point where we do not negatively impact society (i.e. speed limit of 65mph on Highways, not 10 mph).

I think right now, given this is all very new, we can and should be looking at regulation as we start to identify what shoudl be the upper limit.

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by qda34h »

bigyabai wrote: post #6
slibhb wrote: post #5

In my view, AI is our best shot at a post-scarcity society where massive redistribution has no/few downsides. If all labor is done by AIs then the price of everything will go to near zero and everyone can have a government mandated middle class lifestyle. Therefore I find it ironic that leftists oppose AI progress.

Is there any evidence that "all labor" could be done by AI? It doesn't seem to me like we have any guarantee that AI will contribute to public wellbeing. Right now, the public is socializing the losses while the industry privatizes the technology and cozies up to the federal government. LLMs will be usable for mass surveillance and war long before it ever leads us to a post-scarcity society.

Brutal downvoting again by Big-AI PR agencies, maybe automated by now.

If anyone can name a rational reason why the top comment is the top comment but this one deserves -4, please say so.

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by csh0 »

slibhb wrote: post #24
smokedetector1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is either a troll or a shockingly naive understanding of how scarce resources are allocated

"Technology will free mankind from labor and usher in an era where everyone is simply allocated whatever they requre" was a staple of leftism up until the USSR collapsed. The difference is that today, unlike in the 20th century, there's a feasible path to post-scarcity. It's not "around the corner" but there's a path if you squint. Myabe it won't pan out, but it's worth a shot. The irony is that leftists want to ban…

I think the difficulty for many people is not imagining a path to post-scarcity, per se, but instead that they have been given no commitments by their government or business leaders that they will get to benefit from it, after it is achieved.

It’s one thing to say something like: AI will enable lights out manufacturing and replace virtually all employees in that sector.

To which those employees respond: What will happen to us?

And they are told: things will be great, you won’t need to work in the factories any longer, and we will have no shortage of goods.

Do you see the missing link there? They might ask: “What happens to those goods? What happens to me? Do I get given the goods? Are the goods sold and then I am paid a stipend? I’m hungry. Will I still need to buy things? Okay, if so, but I have no money because I was fired.”

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by Legend2440 »

GPerson wrote: post #28
Legend2440 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Anybody who disagrees with the ban on superintelligence in principle, maybe not in practice, is a traitor to humanity Oh, so anybody who disagrees with me is evil? This is the kind of attitude that ruined US politics.

You actually support an intelligence beyond human control. Yes, you are evil. Anyone who supports anything that will obviously end humanity is evil. Notice I did not comment on pausing AI and I said ‘in principle’.

It's not going to end humanity.

We're going to use it to do incredible things that would otherwise be forever beyond our ability - a post-work economy, science fiction technologies, advanced mathematics, etc.

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by Gooblebrai »

GPerson wrote: post #28
Legend2440 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Anybody who disagrees with the ban on superintelligence in principle, maybe not in practice, is a traitor to humanity Oh, so anybody who disagrees with me is evil? This is the kind of attitude that ruined US politics.

You actually support an intelligence beyond human control. Yes, you are evil. Anyone who supports anything that will obviously end humanity is evil. Notice I did not comment on pausing AI and I said ‘in principle’.

From

> intelligence beyond human control. (1)

to

> that will obviously end humanity (2)

There's quite an assumption on the feasibility of (1) and even a bigger jump that from (1) follows (2)

Some people can have less apocalyptic / more pragmatic views of the potential of AI.

Re: Sanders introduces bill to ban artificial superintelligence and pause AI

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Post by reasonableklout »

slibhb wrote: post #24
smokedetector1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is either a troll or a shockingly naive understanding of how scarce resources are allocated

"Technology will free mankind from labor and usher in an era where everyone is simply allocated whatever they requre" was a staple of leftism up until the USSR collapsed. The difference is that today, unlike in the 20th century, there's a feasible path to post-scarcity. It's not "around the corner" but there's a path if you squint. Myabe it won't pan out, but it's worth a shot. The irony is that leftists want to ban…

The other difference is that the current admin is possibly the least likely in American history to support a massive redistribution and "government mandated middle class lifestyle". And the development of this technology has thus far been without the consent of those whose livelihoods are most threatened by it. It's no wonder Sanders and other leftists want more oversight.
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