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K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#51

A bit off topic, but I think I'm starting to get model fatigue. These come out 10x faster than new Javascript frameworks were coming out 10 years ago (at least new models are far easier to adopt).

Honestly, you don’t have to pay attention. What you do with models matters way more than the models themselves, and you don’t need frontier for the vast, vast majority of use cases

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

Hear me out. Decentralized unstoppable storage, combined with decentralized unstoppable training, sorta like SETI for AI training. The seed of this tech already exists with IPFS and others like it. We know (some? all?) of the big labs have skirted copyright laws at one point or another. Truly open models would just build on what is publicly available.

Crypto bros took the idea with some blockchain shit and no one takes it seriously anymore so it died

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

You could sidestep it by running non-permissibly licensed training data that you purchased through an LLM. Legal attitude so far seems to be that this is transformative as long as it's not 1:1. The question on whether or not the end result is copyrightable of course remains controversial and inconsistent, but that question is also fairly irrelevent. You don't get more libre than public domain. That's a fair amount of…

It can also be used to sidestep copyright like this forum, books and most websites even if the data was not purchased but is a website or book.

Are LLMs what we need to make all data public domain? This way it could be used for that purpose

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Fully open models really need to be a big part of the AI future. That includes all source code, open training data, how it's organized, fed to the model, processed, etc. Until that becomes a thing you're always going to be left wondering what exactly lies underneath the closed model you are using, leaving open the possibility for societal manipulation.

The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

UAE's IFM / LLM360 MO is indeed "fully open source" LLMs: https://www.llm360.ai/reports/LLM360-Towards-Fully-Transpare...

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#55

The comparisons with other models here are odd.. the other models change depending on the task. It would be far more useful to at least compare against the more recent open models (DS4Flash/GLM53Flash/Qwen38).

They are trying to keep the models within the same quant class, which is tough to do since a lot of models aren't distilled to lower quants.

There is, for example, no Qwen3.8 7B.

It is odd to me, though, that they didn't run the same benchmark suite for the various quants.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#58

A bit off topic, but I think I'm starting to get model fatigue. These come out 10x faster than new Javascript frameworks were coming out 10 years ago (at least new models are far easier to adopt).

Just wait until RSI gains enough traction. We'll be compute-limited rather than labor-limited.

Repetitive Strain Injury inverts this statement

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

#59
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear me out. Decentralized unstoppable storage, combined with decentralized unstoppable training, sorta like SETI for AI training. The seed of this tech already exists with IPFS and others like it. We know (some? all?) of the big labs have skirted copyright laws at one point or another. Truly open models would just build on what is publicly available.

Crypto bros took the idea with some blockchain shit and no one takes it seriously anymore so it died

If the LLM/AI ecosystem starts actually needing some Person-To-Person (or maybe Agent-To-Agent?) payment system because things actually get smart enough to be useful autonomously, they're gonna need some way to send money/currency around. Depending on how banks will react to this need, we might see another return of digital currencies from the current winter.
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