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OpenAI begins rolling out GPT-6 Astra

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Re: OpenAI begins rolling out GPT-6 Astra

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post #7

It seems like these articles might have come out prematurely, tbd by how much. I do not personally see any evidence of the new model having been released, or any official OpenAI post about it, or even any employee social media posts claiming it has now been released. All there is are Reuters, Axios, FT, etc, articles making a claim in the past tense. These articles were presumably pre-scheduled for 11am PT, and the m…

Yeah I wonder what's going on, even when Anthropic soft launched Fable/Mythos I'm pretty sure they had model cards. Weird for GPT-6 to launch without a tweet from Altman too. I'm sure that one of the articles published prematurely and everyone else followed suit.

Re: OpenAI begins rolling out GPT-6 Astra

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(Posting partly so I can revisit my predictions when they open access more widely)

A big problem I have with OpenAI's models (and of course Claude) is that they tend to write the most over-engineered pieces of code, beyond the imagination of any architecture's astronaut.

Just this week I asked 5.6-sol-ultra to update a 1000 LOC python script I had, to "incorporate the key lessons learned when using it for another project".

I left it overnight and went to sleep. In the morning I realized it had created a monstruosity of 180 PYTHON SCRIPTS, with maybe 100,000 lines of code, each more crazy than the other. It took me minutes even to track where a single action took place, due to all the crazy imports, defensive coding, and premature optimization.

Similarly, anything they write is riddled with jargon that almost feel like they want me to give up trying to understand. Made up phrases that ended up with me having no idea of what was going on.

So now to my assessment: The reason why " Nobody Has Actually Built a Software Factory" [1], and why even SOTA LLMs struggle so much with open-ended unsupervised tasks is precisely this. They somehow let complexity explode, and unless it's also accompanied with an explosion in e.g. the number of agents, the amount of processing time, etc. then projects become broken/unmanageable.

Sure, LLMs are great at producing code that can be thrown out, so they are amazing when searching for exploits, for instance. But as of 5.6 they still lack either a better harness that encourages KISS principles, or a better RL step.

(And not sure why, but doubt Astra will fix this.. they seem to be aiming for AGI and for beating crazy benchmarks, which is not very aligned with KISS)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49510843

Re: OpenAI begins rolling out GPT-6 Astra

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > GPT-6 Astra will first be available to a limited set of organizations in OpenAI's Daybreak Access program and will be available "in the coming days" for ChatGPT Plus, Pro, Business and Enterprise customers and API developers. It’s only available to select orgs, first - Mythos style.

Didn’t that already happen? I thought Astra had been available to “select partners” for a little while. This is baffling. They shouldn’t have hyped this up if it’s not available.

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post #7

It seems like these articles might have come out prematurely, tbd by how much. I do not personally see any evidence of the new model having been released, or any official OpenAI post about it, or even any employee social media posts claiming it has now been released. All there is are Reuters, Axios, FT, etc, articles making a claim in the past tense. These articles were presumably pre-scheduled for 11am PT, and the m…

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Re: OpenAI begins rolling out GPT-6 Astra

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"Once it is available in the API, Astra will cost $10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens. That is 2.5 times Sol’s current promotional price, although it matches Anthropic’s pricing for Fable 5.1."

Open AI finally find an edge to stop selling cheap and earn from the high demand customer like Anthropic

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