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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by RedShift1 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #59
nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

At that point, Google and Apple should be legally barred from fully banning you if it impedes you identifying yourself unless your account is hacked.

Gov. logins and services should never depend on companies like Google.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by RIMR »

I completely understand the concern here, but the person linked is being dramatic and obtuse.

The terms seem to directly relate to your Google Antigravity account. Google has limited GCP suspensions to its cloud service, not your entire account. That is the same spirit of this TOS and what the head of Antigravity has clarified. The terms already make it clear that the context isn't your entire Google account. Misunderstanding the TOS is a silly reason to demand that Google change their TOS.

When confronted with this, the goalpost suddenly moves from "Getting banned from Antigravity bans your entire Google account" to "Getting banned from Antigravity has additional effects"; the only example they can provide is unsubstantiated third-party claims of losing access to Gemini CLI after getting suspended from Antigravity. This is nonsense because these tools are essentially the same thing, with Antigravity being the successor to Gemini CLI. It makes sense that if you get caught violating the TOS for their newer LLM service, you would get banned from all legacy iterations of that LLM service as well. That's hardly getting your entire Google account nuked...

I don't see what the big deal here is. If you want to use Antigravity, you are safe to do so. If you intend for the service to provide tokens to third-party applications, use API billing or face suspension of your Antigravity access for deliberately bypassing their locks and violating the TOS. Why is this unreasonable?

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by mcepl »

anon84873628 wrote: post #47
warpech wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t that violate the quoted ToS? I guess it would.

"Using the service in connection with products not provided by us." The Agy CLI is provided by them.

And if I am not mistaken, Theo’s T3Code (which was explicitly told was bad), doesn’t even use anything else than AI producer provider command line tools and use them with `-p`.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by r_lee »

tedivm wrote: post #17

I think an interesting side of this conversation is how the Google employees are jumping in with DARVO attacks, trying to accuse people of spreading misinformation when they're literally quoting the ToS. This is something I've seen happen a lot with Google- their employees (especially the director+ folks) are absolutely rabid on social media when it comes to defending their products, and they don't let little things…

Googlers expect the consumers of their products to be Googlers who can just read up on the internal info or ping someone etc

they don't understand the concept of external users being a thing

that's the impression I've gotten

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by mcepl »

anon84873628 wrote: post #45
ThatPlayer wrote: post #7

I've had Codex use antigravity for subagents with 'agy -p'. Is that considered 3rd party usage?

No, because you called the service from their client.

Yes, that's exactly what T3Code does. https://x.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2095453990980817301

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by mcepl »

Lord_Zero wrote: post #72
shevy-java wrote: post #20

Liberate yourself from Google - the de-Google movement is gaining more momentum every day.

Best alternatives to Google Drive, Google Docs, Google Sheets today?

Anybody running LibreOffice online or NextCloud as a service.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by r_lee »

RIMR wrote: post #93

I completely understand the concern here, but the person linked is being dramatic and obtuse. The terms seem to directly relate to your Google Antigravity account. Google has limited GCP suspensions to its cloud service, not your entire account. That is the same spirit of this TOS and what the head of Antigravity has clarified. The terms already make it clear that the context isn't your entire Google account. Misunde…

it's not really over dramatic, considering it's entirely plausible they'd just ban your whole account, it's not like it'd impact even 0.000001% of users, who cares about them

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #82
giancarlostoro wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point, Google and Apple should be legally barred from fully banning you if it impedes you identifying yourself unless your account is hacked.

Google and Apple should be legally mandated to federate with nation state identity systems. This prevents them from revoking access, as the identity management is within nation state control vs big tech. You potentially have recourse with your government, you have no recourse with Google and Apple (current state). They may consume your identity for your benefit, but they may not control your digital identity. If a Bi…

The way the EU could implement this is to mandate only using identity providers can guarantee they will not revoke people's identities, and the only way to make that guarantee watertight is to mandate only identity providers based within the EU.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by literalAardvark »

killerstorm wrote: post #44
hmokiguess wrote: post #11

The larger issue here is the fact that access to an account can hold you hostage and impact your life in essential services. We should really find a way to break the tightly coupling to these platforms, including mobile carriers, and not have to live in fear. Having a real representative of each platform in a government branch under regular hours that citizens can access with their documents so that any issues with i…

The government haven't noticed that email became as important as regular mail, unfortunately.

It's noticed... selectively.

Ours sends revenue service notifications exclusively via email, a lossy system... and legally assumes you got it.

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