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Re: .name Termination

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Post by avazhi »

swiftcoder wrote: post #67
jawns wrote: post #48

Surely the author must have anticipated some heightened level of risk in pegging important parts of his personal and business life on a nonstandard TLD like this. It's a pretty bizarre exception to the normal, intuitive ways that domains work. I'll admit that it's a crappy situation and I would be frustrated in his place. But if I were in his place, I probably would have also thought it prudent to have a backup plan.

> nonstandard TLD What exactly is non-standard about an ICANN-approved TLD? Yes, the multi-level structure is a little odd, but given that ICANN approved it in the first place, one has a reasonable expectation that they would work as advertised.

> What exactly is non-standard about an ICANN-approved TLD?

Uh, 99% of people would assume a .name address is a scam. Hate to break it to you.

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Post by angoragoats »

jawns wrote: post #82
swiftcoder wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nonstandard TLD What exactly is non-standard about an ICANN-approved TLD? Yes, the multi-level structure is a little odd, but given that ICANN approved it in the first place, one has a reasonable expectation that they would work as advertised.

I have a .science domain and a .com domain. Even though .science was launched in 2014 (more than a decade ago), I still consider it a non-standard TLD and still deal regularly with difficulties around its use. (For instance, you wouldn't believe how many online services reject email addresses than end in .science because they use regexes that exclude TLDs with 7 letters.) Likewise, I've registered .lol and .fun domai…

> Likewise, I've registered .lol and .fun domains but never would have assumed that just because they're available now, they will be available in perpetuity.

Why wouldn't you assume this?

> the standard way domain registration works is by choosing a single "second level" domain name, then adding subdomains

The entire ccTLD systems of the UK, China, Germany, France, Japan, and many others would beg to differ.

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Post by gpvos »

Pxtl wrote: post #96
akersten wrote: post #25

It kind of seems like an insane TLD structure to begin with, right? I always thought .co.uk was bad (you're just pinning yourself to whoever owns the .co. part, but at least browsers have some suffix list where you can't, I don't know, hijack some login cookie for all of .co.). Joe Smith and John Smith can independently register joe.smith.name and john.smith.name, do browsers have a wildcard suffix list for the 2nd l…

Agree that the .name 3rd level domains are silly, disagree on .co.uk being a problem. If .gov and .mil and .com make sense, then .gov.cc and .mil.cc and .com.cc make sense. Of course, I think having more than one non-cc TLD was a mistake, but that's just me. If it makes sense to have topical TLDs for international and US institutions, it make sense to have national ones.

The 3rd level .name domains are the original ones. They didn't hand out 2nd level domains until three years after they started.

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Post by quotemstr »

nneonneo wrote: post #49
akersten wrote: post #25

It kind of seems like an insane TLD structure to begin with, right? I always thought .co.uk was bad (you're just pinning yourself to whoever owns the .co. part, but at least browsers have some suffix list where you can't, I don't know, hijack some login cookie for all of .co.). Joe Smith and John Smith can independently register joe.smith.name and john.smith.name, do browsers have a wildcard suffix list for the 2nd l…

Since neither smith.name nor the wildcard *.name appear in the Public Suffix List ( https://publicsuffix.org/ ), browsers would likely allow any page on a *.smith.name domain to set cookies for .smith.name. There was an effort to properly handle the .name 2LDs, but it was never resolved because there’s no easy way to tell a reserved 2LD (open for 3LD registrations only) apart from a normal 2LD on .name: https://githu…

> no easy way to tell a reserved 2LD (open for 3LD registrations only) apart from a normal 2LD on .name

And that's one reason why the public-ness of a hierarchy level belongs on a DNS record on that level and not some separately-distributed side list.

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Post by r_lee »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #76
delduca wrote: post #56

I never bet in any other than .com, .org, .net?

.org almost got screwed in 2019 too: > In April 2019, ICANN proposed an end to the price cap of .org domains and effectively removed it in July in spite of having received 3,252 opposing comments and only six in favor. A few months later, the owner of the domain, the Public Interest Registry, proposed to sell the domain to investment firm Ethos Capital. After intense criticism from nonprofit groups and significant fi…

I love that name, "Ethos Capital", it's so wholesome

it'd fit like a PE firm focusing on chemical weapons

Re: .name Termination

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Post by Y_Y »

ZiiS wrote: post #86
theandrewbailey wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on how much one trusts whoever's running fraser.name. Is it more or less than Verisign?

You have to trust them and Verisign; which will always be less then just Verisign.

Unless your trust for VeriSign is already zero

Re: .name Termination

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Post by Aachen »

Ecco wrote: post #81
echoangle wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or pick any TLD and register ˋ a 2nd-level domain (ˋfraser.tld`)? How would that help? The problem is that he's losing access to all the accounts currently tied to fraser.name, if he is changing that he can just use any arbitrary domain anyways.

I mean in the first place. Now it's too late indeed.

The post sounds like that wasn't possible; that this TLD operated by exception with third-level domains. It would be like asking why you don't just register smith.uk instead of smith.co.uk: because you can't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.uk#Second-level_domains)

That's just my reading of the situation though. The person could now hope they're the first to claim their second-level domain once it becomes up for grabs, but there's probably a dozen other people with a fraser subdomain that would want the same, plus however many hundreds of scalper scum. Probably the best you can hope for is that whoever does get it, has the decency to honor the original third-level domains for a reasonable fee

Re: .name Termination

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Post by jeroenhd »

delduca wrote: post #56

I never bet in any other than .com, .org, .net?

Those are all controlled by companies in and subject to the demands of the USA, which has been proving for many years that they cannot be trusted.

Also, all common names with any of those prefixes have been registered a long time ago.

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