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Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by pseudosavant »

saghm wrote: post #166
pseudosavant wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The backlash is so completely unwarranted. This is a piece of free software where the creator is making it easier to use on free software platforms. If you don't want PDN on Linux because you hate AI no matter what, then don't use it. Don't rage attack the creator so that others can't use PDN. Thanks Rick Brewster! I love PDN. It isn't as capable as Photoshop, but it isn't a rental, and it does 99% of what I need it…

At the risk of opening up the usual can of worms, I feel like the terminology "free software platform" is not something I've seen used in the sense that you're describing paint.net as "free". I genuinely got confused the first time I read your comment because referring to Linux as "free software platforms" made me assume that you meant the other type of free, which paint.net is not.

English only has "free". PDN is gratis, free as in beer. While the free software platforms (WINE, Linux) are libre, free as in speech.

I still think the argument holds though that people who have maybe used PDN but haven't contributed time, code, money, or even bug reports have no business raging at its author because he used AI to make it run on WINE/Linux. Literal ingrates.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by joshuaissac »

RestartKernel wrote: post #172
joshuaissac wrote: post #10

I see they finally got the domain name paint.net. They used to be at getpaint.net, and the paint company that owned paint.net had a link saying something like 'if you are looking for the graphics software, go to getpaint.net'.

The previous owner of the Paint.net domain erred in hosting information regarding Paint.NET, which was evidently misleading enough to win dotPDN LLC a domain squatting suit.

> The previous owner of the Paint.net domain erred in hosting information regarding Paint.NET

The ones who had displayed a link to getpaint.net was a legitimate paint company.

Some time after 2012, the domain name was acquired by another entity (associated with a "domain investor"), which allegedly turned the website into an imitation of getpaint.net in 2025, allowing the developer to file a successful lawsuit based on trademark infringement.

https://alldomains.app/paint-net-after-22-years-software-dev...

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by orbital-decay »

pino83 wrote: post #145
Aldipower wrote: post #74

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Do not blame the bikers, they usually are very friendly people. :-)

Sure - they even unselfishly share all their noises with as much people as possible. As much as the engine can produce (i.e. better be a rich biker, then you can make your engine share a lot more or it).

Just FYI, Honda Goldwing (the archetypal Huge Luxurious Expensive 1800cc Motorcycle For Your Mid-Life Crisis) has about the same noise level as any ordinary car. I had one for years. Please don't lump everyone up under "they", you only notice the loud ones.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by pino83 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #183
pino83 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - they even unselfishly share all their noises with as much people as possible. As much as the engine can produce (i.e. better be a rich biker, then you can make your engine share a lot more or it).

Just FYI, Honda Goldwing (the archetypal Huge Luxurious Expensive 1800cc Motorcycle For Your Mid-Life Crisis) has about the same noise level as any ordinary car. I had one for years. Please don't lump everyone up under "they", you only notice the loud ones.

Then you are not a "biker". You just ride a motorcycle. (The most major) Part of being a biker is to disrupt with noise. Or why do the machines (typically) get louder and louder with the price tag? Because technology doesn't know a way to do better? Sure... Vote me down, but don't ask me to be naive. The major part of that hobby is to be unpleasantly loud in public spaces (the more people around the better).

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by pino83 »

Aldipower wrote: post #180
pino83 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - they even unselfishly share all their noises with as much people as possible. As much as the engine can produce (i.e. better be a rich biker, then you can make your engine share a lot more or it).

My gravel bike is absolutely silent! And I tell you it was really expensive.

Gold is also absolutely silent. ;)

But I like it a lot... My personal fitness level is just enough to bring me to my car, though... ^^ And I know that's bad... Keep cycling! ;)

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by saghm »

pseudosavant wrote: post #181
saghm wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of opening up the usual can of worms, I feel like the terminology "free software platform" is not something I've seen used in the sense that you're describing paint.net as "free". I genuinely got confused the first time I read your comment because referring to Linux as "free software platforms" made me assume that you meant the other type of free, which paint.net is not.

English only has "free". PDN is gratis, free as in beer. While the free software platforms (WINE, Linux) are libre, free as in speech. I still think the argument holds though that people who have maybe used PDN but haven't contributed time, code, money, or even bug reports have no business raging at its author because he used AI to make it run on WINE/Linux. Literal ingrates.

It's not clear to me what argument you thought I was making. To reiterate, I was saying that I had never heard someone say "free software platform" and not mean "libre", so I found it a bit odd to refer to paint.net supporting Linux as "free software on free software platforms". You're welcome to disagree with me, but I'm struggling to understand how you came to the conclusion that I was not aware of free as in beer versus freedom based on what I wrote.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by saghm »

IslandRebel wrote: post #164
saghm wrote: post #162

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> Al haters are basically a very small minority and almost all of them are online. It isn't a large number. Without even getting into the AI part of this claim, how can you have any confidence about a claim like this when there are always going to be several orders of magnitude more people who are online than people you interact with offline? You could replace "AI haters" with "people who live in " and end up with so…

Because the most vocal people are always a minority and I can use my own good judgement. I am also not in any "bubble" group and I am one of those people that are very suspicious of cliques. I spent as much time talking to people that are neutral, positive and negative on AI. Most of the AI haters IME of interacting with them irrational and are full of very poor arguments for their position. Almost all of it is emoti…

I think you might be misunderstanding what I mean by the word "bubble". It's quite literally impossible to talk to a representative sample of people the size of the internet, so judging purely by people you've interacted with is to me by definition a bubble. The fact that you claim to have sought out conversations with a variety of viewpoints but someone are of the opinion that the people online can't possibly represent a substantial group or are worth taking seriously rather than maybe just people you haven't talked to directly is a bit hard not to be skeptical of.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by pseudosavant »

saghm wrote: post #187
pseudosavant wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English only has "free". PDN is gratis, free as in beer. While the free software platforms (WINE, Linux) are libre, free as in speech. I still think the argument holds though that people who have maybe used PDN but haven't contributed time, code, money, or even bug reports have no business raging at its author because he used AI to make it run on WINE/Linux. Literal ingrates.

It's not clear to me what argument you thought I was making. To reiterate, I was saying that I had never heard someone say "free software platform" and not mean "libre", so I found it a bit odd to refer to paint.net supporting Linux as "free software on free software platforms". You're welcome to disagree with me, but I'm struggling to understand how you came to the conclusion that I was not aware of free as in beer…

I wasn't disagreeing. I even upvoted your comment. I was just clarifying which kinds of free I was intending. Your previous comment said that PDN is not "the other type of free" without defining or clarifying what kind of free "the other type" is.
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