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Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by deno »

Also word of warning: don't buy Google AI subscription before you confirm you have "Antigravity entitlement" whatever that is.

You can have "verified" account (for 18+ and Gmail), bank card added, active AI Pro subscription, and still you won't be able to use even the free tier of Antigravity.

And their verification is some major AI slop that just doesn't work. This is open from June but this was already a bug in Gemini CLI before then: https://github.com/google-antigravity/antigravity-cli/issues...

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by walthamstow »

dbliss wrote: post #12

I've built a personal meta-harness on top of agy, cc, codex, kiro-cli, ollama that I use to schedule jobs, run oneshot tasks, etc. which provides a general API for my other personal apps that need to do some inference. For example, I built a personal trip app for an upcoming family vacation that uses the inference API to do things like research locations and plan routes, it basically just calls the various cli harnes…

Agy has the print option so I don't see how using it is against TOS, but still I'd do that on a burner account.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by cesarb »

That's the reason I avoided ever logging into YouTube: if for some reason they decided that my real name is not my real name, due to the Google+ integration, I could lose access to more important things like Google Talk.

Nowadays, with a Google account being all but required to use a non-Apple smartphone, it's even worse.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by Majromax »

kristofferR wrote: post #50
anon84873628 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Using the service in connection with products not provided by us." The Agy CLI is provided by them.

So? There's still a connection to products not provided by them. Remember that this is a TOS, so you gotta presume that they will act as malicious as possible within the text.

That line of reasoning has no end. If you use Antigravity on anything other than a Google Chromebook or Pixel, the hardware is a 'product not provided by them'. Is that a TOS violation?

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by lenerdenator »

shevy-java wrote: post #22
nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

It is a very clear act of total betrayal for europan governments to use taxpayers money from Europeans, to invest into US mega-corporations that proxy-enslave Europeans. Lobbyists in Europe are getting rich right now.

Who gets the money shouldn't be your focus, it's that there's even talk of anyone building such a system at all that should be the focus.

Europe has a long history of government abuses of human rights. There's absolutely no guarantee that such a system being designed and implemented by people in Europe as opposed to the US is a safeguard against any sort of human rights issues.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by colkassad »

Havoc wrote: post #30

Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts. And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

Good argument for breaking up the company.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by somehnguy »

Havoc wrote: post #30

Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts. And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

I haven't touched Google's AI suite due to this. I need to migrate my email away from Google - the stakes are too high.

Luckily I use a custom domain so accounts won't need to be updated, just emails exported and DNS changed.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by dnautics »

Aeolun wrote: post #2

Well, I’m glad I’m not using my google account for much any more. Is OpenAI the only one that allows this? Because Codex without codex is fantastic.

You can wrap claude code in a harness without -p, it works fine. I think most of the concern was that -p resubmits the entire chat history on each prompt which is really bad for kv caching, and when Anthropic announced that they were ok with 3rd party harnesses that DO use -p I think they had figured out the routing and caching for thinking token hash ids

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by giancarlostoro »

nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

At that point, Google and Apple should be legally barred from fully banning you if it impedes you identifying yourself unless your account is hacked.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by ryandrake »

wlesieutre wrote: post #21
danschuller wrote: post #4

Apart from the products not being very competitive this is the main reason I'm reluctant to use any Google models / AI products. The account is way to precious thing to lose based on some AI classifier misfiring and then you know there's good route to get it reenabled.

Same. The more of Google's services I touch, the more chance that some errant auto-moderation system will lock me out of Gmail and their support won't do anything about it. Better to not risk it, I don't even log in to YouTube.

Sounds like a good reason to start eliminating your dependence on Gmail. You don't want to tie something as important as your E-mail identity to an account that you might get banned from.
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